db_zero
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The scenerio I always used for when I played microarmor was that the DPRK had a fairly quick coup, before the ROK and US could intervene (basically the ROK gets 80% mobilized, additional US troops arrive, enough to call them both war mongerers), new DPRK government gets snuggly with Russia, exchanges goods (labor really) for weapons claiming it needs to protect itself from American imperialism. Russia obliges as it has more than enough tanks and semi-obsolete (but way better than North Korean's current fleet!) equipment and could use the manpower to work in Siberia (which is already a thing). DPRK brings in outside investors, plays the "we're authoritarian but business friendly!" card, and then a year or so later launches itself across the DMZ because reunification is the divine mission, but hey suckers, thanks for the tanks and money!
Old habits die hard and all.
*Edit* I consider the scenario well below Battlefront's standard. Basically it was an excuse for me to play with the newer GHQ miniatures South Korean tanks, and fight out battles in places I knew of.
Me too! I'd love to have a circa 2018ish fight in Korea, largely because the equipment wouldn't be so changed from when I was there, and it'd be fun to play at "if it really did go down" I'm just picky about the scenario for obvious reasons.
Oh god are they angry at everyone for everything. Also huge racists (read "The Cleanest Race" for a good summary). They hate pretty much everything that's not North Korean, and the mythical legions of South Koreans longing to be North Koreans.
Nope. Camp Casey is in the less adventurous part of Korea in terms of cuisine. Think like...the sort of stuff farmers make. Mostly hearty, not especially sophisticated, but delicious (eat you some bulgoggi son, and you'll agree).
On the other hand, go to Seoul if you're visiting. It's full of insanity and awesome. Stay out late, if you're anglo with short hair, you'll get an extra special prodding from the US and Korean MPs to make sure you're not a soldier breaking curfew, but you'll see some epic stuff.
Asians racist? hahaha...I know that all to well. The Japanese hate the Chinese and vice versa and both consider the Korean and other Asiactic races are even lower on the totem pole. If you are an Asian American and go back to your native roots you are still considered an outsider and "not pure". Immigration is tightly controlled in most Asian countries. I wouldn't want to imagine what it might be like being hispanic or African American living in an Asian country. I do know some Euros who love living in some Asian countries.
My dad who recently passed away was a Korean War vet and a while back he and other Korean War vets were given very special treatment by the South Korean government for their past service. Definately a forgotten war.
As for the cuisine in Asia I don't pass judgement. It may seem wierd and out of place in West, but whatever floats your boat. I know some groups near where I live are emulating the eating of insects and other creepy crawlers popular in Asia, but don't go near the dog or cat part as I'm sure that would create a hure uproar!
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Dang and I was going to insert Michelle O and PSI marching in unity with the SK students
I was just being creative. I just want an Asia module for CM!
I read somehwere that North Korea is very angry at China, because it was leaked that if the DPRK goes under they have plans to occupy the Northern part of North Korea to prevent a massive refugee flow into China.
Have you even tried the dish in Korea where they give you small live fish you dump into steaming broth? Doesn't get any fresher than that! I won't go near the dog part.
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It would require the ROK to be doing very, very badly, and the DPRK to have secretly disguised itself as Greece, and taken all the loan money from the EU and funneled it strictly into building a time machine to go back and undo everything that happened about 1985-present before the DPRK would be a serious threat again.
Due to bad economic conditons in the West, consumers have stopped spending and export of goods from South Korea have dropped dramatically. Companies like Hundai, Kia and Samsung have announced huge layoffs. The result is massive discontent in South Korea, especially amongst the younger generation raised and used to living a life of abundance, unlike the older generations used to enduring hard times. Protests have errupted and demands for social programs and welfare have taken place. The normally conservative and business oriented South Korean government finds itself under heavy pressure as calls for a more socialistic government are demanded...
Meanwhile back in America Peter Schiffs presidential campaign is picking up steam...
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I agree with all of the above, but just use a little imigination. The US and NATO is already comitted to a major conflict in the Ukraine and the Middle East has tied up additional forces due to an ISIS like threat and Iran. Years of budget cuts have reduced the military to a much smaller force and much is already comitted to the conflict in Europe and the Middle East. Tensions between the US and China have reached an all time high due to continued hacker attacks and disagreements over disputed islands. Tensions between the US and China have reached such a bad point that China siezes Western business assets operating in China. In retaliation the US and other Western nations freeze all Chinese assets and impose a trade embargo on China.
China considers Westerns actions an act of war.
Under these conditions North Korea has decided to take advantage of the situation and due to a rapidly deteriorating internal situation has decided to risk all on an assault on the South...walla you have a rationale for a Korea module.
Could use all of the above for a resurgent China to invade Taiwain while we're at it and sieze a few disputed islands from Japan. Yes, I know China doesn't have the sealift capability presently, but use some creativity. Their economy allows them to go on a buying spree and for the past few years, and due to rapidly shrinking defense spending due to severe budget constrains from years of Western Central Bank stimulas actions to jump start failing economies and years of out of control government spending, Western defense industries have been more than willing to sell the Chinese all the weapons and ships they can produce in order to stay in business.
In the runup to the conflict breaking out China has decided to modernize the North Korean Army...
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Its just, in terms of economics vs strategic result/gain, it seems that a tank (single, company, battalion of tanks) is more expensive and not as efficient to field as, say, a unit of troops properly armed with anti-personnel and anti-tank ordnance.
How much does it cost to make an Abrams M1? Say 6 million? Im not familiar with military economics, but how many troops can you train and equip for that same 6 million, to effectively combat other infantry, armour and some AA capability (manpad SAMs)?
Now, as soon as a tank enters a conflict zone - it becomes a high risk priority, and the enemy will actively seek methods to destroy/disable it. So, we are talking Air assets out to destroy it, precision arty, and infantry. Thats alot of threats you gotta protect it from, which again increases the cost of fielding the tank (so, other assets on standby for defence, factor in the fuel consumption of the tank, the crew training, the expensive cost of ammo, etc etc).
Isnt it more effective to train a squad/platoon/company of troops (again, I dont know how many and how well equipped for the 6 million USD), and dispatch them to the combat area instead of the tank? They are harder to spot, can hide in buildings, trenches (a tank is harder to hide, right?), will cost less to support (maybe Im wrong on this?) while out in the field, and because they are considered of a less-immediate threat by the enemy, they can actually achieve more on the ground?
Pardon me if this line of reasoning is naive or can be considered stupid by some of the military related persons on the forum, but I ask this because I genuinely do not know, and I would like to know. Seems we are in good company here with various military professionals, so I hope to learn something from your explanations.
The problem with this line of reasoning is the same as the Israeli experience after the 67 war. The tank was overemphasized at the expense of other arms like mech infantry and artillery. The Egyptians adopted arms and tactics to deal with the unbalanced Israeli doctrine and the Israelis suffered for it. They were forced to re-balance and gravitate back to a normal combined arms approach.
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Keep in mind North Korea has a huge contingent of special forces troops that will be used in pre-emptive or first strikes on key installations, airfields and government buildings.
Many if not all are taken at childhood, indoctrinated and given special training.
Would make for some interesting battles, but like I said I Don't expect to ever see BF doing Asia.
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I've brought this up in the past on a few occasions and sounds like there is little if any interest on BFs part to do Asia.
Best hope is someone makes a mod like Shock Force was modded.
Also with other projects in the works and the small workforce, even if there were interest on BFs part it would be years before you saw anything covering Asia.
You'll probably see an updated Shock Force before Asia and even that is a long ways out IMO. We'll probably be at war with Iran before SF gets updated!
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I have games from the WW2 era going on and life and work have been hectic so I haven't really had time to play Black Sea that much, but from what I've seen so far as well as the videos I've seen its becoming clear that you don't get much room if any for errors with the modern stuff. Against the AI on Elite mode playing the battles, things I would get away with in Normandy, Italy and WW2 Russia results in dead men and vechicles in Black Sea. I've not tried a QB yet.
Assault rifle infantry with auto grenade launchers will punish any mistake at greater ranges with greater effectiveness or so it seems.
I haven't toyed around with the armor that much, but so far with the American stuff its very effective. I'll have to toy around with the other stuff to get a better feel. The Tunguska I do have an opinion on and it is freaking awesome. Makes you wonder what if America got the Sgt. York right. Heck even if the F-16 based fire control system attempted on it wasn't completely ironed out those twin 40mm based on a tried and true system would be very effective on ground targets.
I still think the 30mm system used on the A-10, mounted on surplus M1 hulls and mated with a modern but KISS fire control system would be a real winner.
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Posturing would be nice, but I'd like to see an ambush command first and foremost. I hate it when I have men hiding and do nothing when shot at.
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I was going to ask about the tanks in Asia being built for smaller statured males, but what got answered. I read in the past in Russia they put the smaller guys in tank units too-at least with the T-55 and T-62's
As for training the same holds true for other professions. When the Aggressors used F-5s they would give pilots using F-15's a F-16s a run for their money. I'm sure many of us in our everyday professions can attest to the value of good training and experience, but I can also say that some people, not matter how much you train or mentor are useless. Competence is one of those things you are either possess or don't.
Speaking of the Sherman, I don't know if this is fact or commonplace, but during the Normandy campaign crews became so scarce they would put non tankers into Shermans. I can't see that being a viable solution these days with the sophisticated systems on a tank.
Another bit of useless information. I've heard that Israeili tank crews, if given a choice would choose Centurion tanks over the Patton seriers of tanks. The main reason was the Centurion used electrical systems, while the Patton series of tanks used hydraulics which could get damaged, spray flammable hydraulics all over the interior and cause horrible burns to crewmen. Apparently they also learned the value of having disinfectants to clean and cover up the smell of human flesh in recovered and repaired tanks.
Being a tanker sounds like it can be a gruesome business if you happen to be on the losing side....
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Screenshot of one of my 'blind' teams:
They see all of the advancing tanks if they so much as lift their heads but never actually fire their AT weapon because going prone breaks contact.
In my laymans eyes I don't blame the AT crew for staying prone. If I were in their shoes even if the Commander in Chief ordered me to shoot I would not. What I see is 6 tanks, plus who knows what else I can't see well within shooting distance of me. Even in the best case scenario where I could kill one of the tanks with my Javelin and say my other team member was Alvin York with an AT4, that would leave plenty of enemy tanks remaining to shoot back at me with nothing but cabbage to protect me.
Perhaps the AI self preservation code has kicked in
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Seems like every title from Normany to Italy to Russia has some complaint about spotting. I'm sure we'll see that same thing for the Buldge and every other title that comes out.
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Pah, a T34/85...much too modern and outfitted with completely totally uneccessary gimmicks such as a cannon, optics, engines, etc. Give me a Xiphos, a spartan shortsword, and a Hoplon, a spartan shield, that should be enough to defeat any modern Main Battle Tank. First i will charge the tank frontally, protecting myself from its fire with my Hoplon, and then i will jump on the turret, rip the hatch open and unlesh hell on the crew using the Xiphos. That is how you kill a tank.
Ha...that reminds me of the Civ1 and 2 days when a spearman would kill a tank unit or battleship. You would sit there and say to yourself wtf...
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I didn't intend to start a top 10 list. I knew some if the tanks have low production levels. Just because a tank has low production levels doesn't always mean its a curiousity. The Challenger iirc doesn't have a huge production run, but some think its as good if not better than the Abhrams.
Just because a tank hasn't seen combat doesn't mean it was useless. Deterrence requires something to back it up.
The K2 may not be around in large numbers, but if it came down to it how many North Korean T-62s and T-55s would 1 be capable of destroying?
I'M just interested in the technology as well as any input on how well the crews of other nations stack up in term of training and operational performance.
I didn't know Italy produced its own main battle tank. I assumed it bought Leopards. I have to say it sorta has the same lines as a Ferrari.
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It would be fun to work out tactical problems with the Merkava's unique abilities. Tank riders inside the tank! Maybe CMSF-2 module IDF?
Nice to dream ....................
That would be interesting to work out and the mortar mounted on it would also be interesting to see in action. The front mounted engine is suppoed to give additional protection to the crew, but would a non penetrating hit to the front possibly cause loss of mobility due to the engine or some drive component being damaged?
Then there is the issue of a catastrophic hit not only destroying a tank and its crew, but also the mounted infantry. I guess it would be no different than losing a IFV, but being a tank you would probably use it more aggressively? idk...on the other hand if there was good cooperation and coordination the infantry could act as additional pairs of eyes for spotting, but I don't think it would be too pleasant for dismounted inantry to the near the tank when the main gun gets fired. I guess behind the tank may not be so bad.
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We talk about the M1, Russian and German Leopards as being the best, but what about tanks produced by other nations?
I would say the Challenger is held in very high regard and the French Leclerc is pretty well regarded too. What about the South Korean K2 or Japanese Type 90?
China has the Type 99, India the Arjun-hopefully it’s not a disaster like INSAS assault rifle!
Does South America or other countries produce a main battle tank?
Sweden once made and used the S-tank which was interesting in many ways. Considering the success of the German and Soviets in WW2 using assault guns, it’s kind of surprising how it was just a short lived concept.
As a kid I and my friends though the AMX-13 with its SS-11 missiles mounted on it was really cool looking, but I guess the Israelis who received it thought otherwise.
Then there is the Merkava which has a very unusual layout. You can have infantry ride along in the back compartment. How has that worked out in actual practice? I also think it has a mortar mounted on it. I would think that a mortar or auto grenade launcher would be very useful, especially in urban combat. Imagine if that were mounted on a Abhrams -
Speaking of default emoticons, I bet this poor lady wished she disabled this one:
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What was this thread about again?
This was about a T-90 tank that was cruising down the highway took a turn off onto a different path for a few miles then took another turn down a different path and has now become bogged down and lost.
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As someone who spent a good part of my life growing up in Hawaii I can tell you Spam is considered comfort food to many. You haven't lived until you tried Spam musubi. Me personally I like a few slices of spam fried, served with some steamed rice with 2 sunny side eggs on top and some kikoman poured on top.
My favorite is Mac and Cheese with spam cut in cubes mixed in and some Tony Chachere's Original Creole Seasoning sprinkled in it. Now that people is the ****!
Spam is one of the greatest American creations. Gawd I love that stuff.
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Just came across this as a potential A-10 replacement? Personally I don't see it happening.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/03/15/could-this-airplane-replace-the-a-10-warthog.aspx
While I may agree with the top brass thinking that the A-10 may be at risk in a high intensity conflict, the reality is we have been fighting in low intensity conflicts. I still think if the really wanted to they could look into something like a laser system to knock down incoming SAMs and mount it on A-10's. I doubt it can't be done, in fact I would bet dollars to doughnuts its already in place on planes like Air Force 1 and the Looking Glass. Yes they are large 747 platforms but at the rate technology is advancing its probably doable on the A-10 at a reasonable cost.
Here is another article about the A-10:
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Maybe a coup is not so farfetched?
naw. We have reality TV, the internet and government assistance to keep the masses occupied. I can forsee the Balkanization of America. Some are saying we're seeing it now with communities based on shared political, cultural and voting beliefs sprouting up.
Throw in changing demographics, birth rates, aging population, debt, open borders, terrorism, reliance on high speed data netwroks and hackers and it all makes the simpler days of the Cold War, when there were just 2 sides seem so quaint.
Guess the end of the Cold War didn't bring about peace, love and a more simple world.
Well I guess the bright side is when all comes to pass I'll be dead or too old to care. For now I know 1 thing for sure. America has the most powerful currency in the world. The dollar is the reigning king for now!
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Unfortunately we have a form of governing in place that today is inherently corrupt. Our representatives do not put their full energy into serving all of their constituents, but rather seek to please wealthy donors, lobbyists and special interest groups which can afford to put big bucks into the politicians coffers.
There is no rush to reform any of these situations because the pols do not want to cut off the major sources of their funding.
Therefore our so-called Lawmakers spend their energy and influence to please small sections of the population, while the issues raised by the majority of Americans are ignored, or worse pay lip service. The framers recognized how this situation could lead to a paralyzed government and they chose to compromise on the seperation of powers. Madison was concerned with how legislators would be seduced by the power and influence of small groups with big purses. He called it "the violence of Factions"
Could this kind of governing lead to a situation where the populace is so fed up with the way things are done or not done, that they would turn their backs while a military takeover took place. You would want to think that it is unlikely.
Corrupt politicians? Never. That only happens in other countries and the third world:
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Contrary to the general understanding, a very small percentage of men who served in Vietnam were draftees. In fact a draftee was more likely not to be sent to Vietnam because 2 years did not allow enough time for training and then the one year or 13 month tour in Vietnam.
Also I would not be too quick to dismiss the younger generation because they are the ones volunteering for the military and fighting our wars. The make up of the US military today also ensures that older, more settled men and women can serve on a combat deployment. Most large formations are filled out by reserve and National Guard components, made up mostly of older (not 18 and 19 year olds) people who have a standing in civilian life as well as a career in the military. There is no doubt however that serving in the military provides a person with skills and experience that are invaluable in the civilian workforce.
I dont think there are enough Gurkhas to go around
I agree there are some very fine young 18, 19 and 20 somethings who are fine individuals doing great things, but there is a sense of fustration with many that has crept up into the consciousness and that is not without cause. That's a whole different topic that is way beyond the scope of this discussion.
If you get a chance take a look at this from the 70's right after the Viet-Nam War. I still remember looking through this. If you get a chance to actually read what's in it, it will be an eye opener:
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Regarding the current President. Foreign policy and military affairs simply does not interest him. Even those within his own party have spoke about his general sense of disengagement. Personally I believe deep down inside he grew up disliking the military. I say this because I grew up in Hawaii the same time Obama was growing up in Hawaii and back then there were basically 2 groups. Those of us who appreciated the military and those who hated the military. It was cool back then to hate the military and if you were not one of the cool people you got harrased-believe me I know....
How you were raised also has a big bearing on your later life as well as those who you associate with in your young adult life also has a bearing. That doesn't mean you can't change, but it is often a very strong undercurrent.
Now that he is unleashed and free to do as he pleases with no election to worry about about, we're now seeing the real person emerge and that make many of us very uncomfortable.
Who Would have Guessed This 12 years Ago
in Combat Mission Black Sea
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Maybe the next module for BS and CMSF will have to include the French.
http://news.yahoo.com/france-displaces-britain-key-us-military-ally-153916400.html