animalshadow

Probably I'm wrong about intercepting supersonic ATGM. Can't find anything about max projectile speed. It's not only about scenarios, I personally prefer QBs for example. If M1A2(APS) were limited by rarity as Tiger tanks are in CMBN it would be ok, personally and perfect hull-down position issue with Kriz wouldn't be so noticeable.

Would cause if Kriz didn't have radar. Target can be light up by radar and target can be shot using only radar and 9M123-2 is a radar guided ATGM missile. It's like saying that F-15 can't use AIM-120C in BVR engagement cause pilot can't see target by his own eyes. By the way...if we're talking about ATGM missiles - why supersonic missiles( 9M123 for example) can be intercepted by APS?

Berm...Have you seen such hills? Most of the time you have -1 offset, but lot of times you can achieve -2 offset. Check this(-2 offset): Test scenario: http://www.filedropper.com/krizpos 2nd Tank Destroyer on -2 offset terrain in "Slightly up" position, can be shot by anything. 1st Tank Destroyer on -1 offset terrain in "Hull-down" position, can be shot by anything. 1st Platoon HQ on -2 offset terrain in normal, as intended, Hull-down position.

Nice tests Had close to your results when was trying to test Khriz effectiveness. Didn't try, but it's a little bit another story, cause the main thing is that on Khriz there's also a radar which is above gunner sight and while radar and ATGM are above ground Khriz should be ok with spotting and shooting. For example Sturm-S doesn't have radar, but it's ATGM in the same hull-down position will be above ground, but it can't shoot cause there's no sight and/or camera on the same level and that's ok. So Bradley while have gunner sight above ground should be able to spot/shoot.

It's not "all-weather" as said in Game Manual("The 9P157 is equipped with thermals, advanced optics, and a millimeter wave band radar system that allows it to detect and track targets through any weather and obscurants such as smoke." p.107) and it can't spot/shoot from hull-down position as intended. http://community.battlefront.com/topic/118050-how-to-use-the-khrizantema/?p=1587016

What will be if there's a platoon of M1A2(APS)?You'll field 6 AT-14 teams? What about 2 platoons? You'll spend all your QB points on AT-14 teams and will be rushing to victory with'em? What will happen if your opponent will decide to buy just infantry - "just for fun". You'll be fighting with AT-14 Battalion-size forces? By the way, if in our case M1A2 (practically any target) will be in woods ATGM shots will likely miss(http://community.battlefront.com/topic/118381-bug-report-atgm-misses-almost-all-rockets-trying-to-hit-target-in-the-woods/). So it's looking like a nice solution in tests when you put one M1A2 on the open field and your 2 ATGM teams in good position. In Medium QB US Army can field 6 M1A2(APS) with infantry and artillery support. And 12 elite AT-14 teams will cost you ~2000pts, while Regular ATGM Battery(9x Khrizantemas) will cost you ~1500pts/4k rarity and you only need Platoon(3x Khrizantemas) which will cost you ~500pts/700 rarity. I'm trying to say that while US Army have M1A2(APS)(Hopefully prices for APS version will be revised in 1.02 ) and Khrizantema is broken, red team chances are very low.

Sadly there's no alternative for Khrizantema - it's the only one ATGM which can kill Abrams with APS. And Khrizantema is broken for now Hope 1.02 will fix it.

Ehm, nope. I was talking only about M1A2 with APS and rarity should apply only to M1A2 with APS, not vanilla M1A2. Good to know, thanks. US APS is a plausible thing for 2017, so rarity(as Tiger tank in CMBN is) will be just enough. But will trade M1A2(APS) on A-10C CAS Support with no doubts P.S. Best unit prices in QBs on my opinion were in CMBN.

The only thing which is overlooked in QBs are M1A2(APS) rarity, they simply don't have it. Cause for now, if you play US Army you don't need Apaches, MGS Strykers and etc you just need lot of Abrams with APS and you're good to go. That's gamey tactics for sure, but it works in 100% cases. If rarity(and that's justified) will be added for M1A2(APS) that would be great.

Jeez...I just asked about LOS in hull down position. It's not about bias or smth like that. Maybe there's a way for dev to move "that thing which represents optics" on Khrizantema on the radar level.

Maybe someone have information about Khrizantema in-game LOS in hull down position? Will it be fixed in 1.02 patch?

I'm not a HUSKER2142, but I'll answer - this was a test run, Abrams had target armor LOS 10m, so they couldn't shoot back and T90 was rolling around trying to penetrate Abrams from different distance, so this test wasn't about who spots who first, it was T90s in-game gun vs M1A2 armor at different ranges.

Yes, Tunguska should have mixed ammo instead of current HE only. P.S. Had same issue as dan/california has - My Abrams was ambushed by opponent's Tunguska. Tunguska was shooting at my Abrams, then my Abrams just turned his turret and with "OK" face shot Tunguska. That shouldn't happen - my Abrams crew wasn't even disturbed and there was no sign of suppression.

Would be nice to see AGS-17/30 and Mk19 in Support menu like on-map mortars. With less correction fire of course.

Additionaly current in-game TO&E misses few vehicles in ATGM Battery(Khrizantema): 1)9P157-3 as Platoon HQ vehicle. - 3 Crew members. 2)9P157-4 as Battery HQ vehicle. - 4 Crew members.