RosNos

One very important point.... A lot of Allied tankers did not want to continue fighting in their Shermans (m4s) never heard that from any Panther crews (names like "Tommycooker" The British took to calling it the "Ronson", the cigarette lighter which had the slogan "Lights up the first time, every time!" Polish tankers referred to it as "The Burning Grave" sound familiar) Apart from not liking the fact they had to counter attack (usually frontally) because of doctrine and by doing so they usually prevented a lot of infantry being mopped up whislt encountering usually heavy losses themselves but then recovering as many as they could some of their tanks which were only disabled. A simple look at the Sherman page from Wiki confirms with citations this is a good one --->After the heavy tank losses of the Battle of the Bulge, in January 1945, General Eisenhower asked that no more 75 mm M4s be sent to Europe: only 76 mm M4s were wanted what were you saying roughly if they needed better tanks they would have just produced them where from out of their arse it takes a long time to produce new effective tanks and the latest Americans tanks at the end of the war still werent much chop (read Pershing) The Yanks didnt want the 17 pounder for logistical reasons! Perhaps you JonS need to read Maj. Gen I. D. White. "Comparison of US equipment with Similar German Equipment" Report for Supreme Commander Allied Expeditionary Force. 20 March 1945 you seem more pro yank than the pro germans on achtung I suppose there is a balance needed I have actually seen ricochets go through an M4 at 3000 yards." "I have seen HEAT fired from a 105mm Howitzer at a Mark V at 400 yards. The track was hit and damaged, and a direct hit on the turret only chipped the paint." Maj. Gen I. D. White for the fella that was after a site with cost of WW2 equip one is here [url=http://www.panzerworld.net/prices.html] Ah the Battle of Arracourt the Americans favourite defence Try reading about the battle with Two eyes!!!! Even if there were no fighter bombers doesnt make you stop looking around in the sky every 30 seconds! Destraex1 did make an interesting point (again you guys obviously havent read about or seem to deem not worthy of mention?) the materials used in german production of tanks lot of synthetics you need to look at armour penetration testing of later war panthers my ill informed forum debaters VERY different in the late war clear evidence of hulls splintering from shots that on earlier panthers bounced - and the guess which panthers were at arracourt! with crews with 5 hours training in mostly close combat with slower turning tanks and turrets. No real worries about the battle in past tense are there!