Dr.Fusselpulli

Shopping malls are quite rare in Germany, most of them opened in the 90s and early 2000s. What is very common is shopping streets, or some bigger shopping buildings, but malls are very american. But I still would like to see taller buildings with flat roofs. Office buildings, rental apartments, schools.. stuff like that.

That's right. As far as I know some farmers were quite happy when tanks were rolling over their fields.

Not sure about artillery delivered mines, but from 1981 onwards, the Bundeswehr used the M-548A1-G to produce quick minefields. It could deploy 600 antitank mines on a 1500m long and 50m whide strip of land within 5 minutes. But of course, the Bundeswehr is not respresented yet. The vehicle itself is American and based on the M113, but not sure about the mine-thrower-unit?

Good evening comrade @The_Capt, very well to see the development of the situation. Can you also show some pictures with more detail of these wonderful peoples tanks?

Hertie? Yes, it was a big shopping chain indeed. But those can´t be added by Battlefront, because they are established Brands.

I have something from Belgium for @CMFDR, but with German lyrics.

I have something fitting to the timeframe, topic and location: Berlin Express - Die Russen Kommen (1982)

True, very common and beloved. And on the second picture you can even see another classic object, the vending machine for cigarettes.

Yes, it says it never existed in service in this combination. But I am not sure what combination directly, because the text also mentions east German Lights and Signals, so there might be a combination with western Lights and Signals? Hard to say, maybe there never was a east Trabant with western police markings in service, and they got west german police cars directly.

When it comes to time, yes. But technology doesn´t develop itself, but change and development is driven by the necessaty to overcome a problem. The problem was, how to stay on top if the cold war gets hot, and a lot of energy went into it. Without that problem, the progress in military development slowed down, until after the the 9th of September 2001, was a different problem to resolve.

I think the reason is, that when GDR dissolved into West Germany, the cehicles were still used, but repainted to match the western design. So these Police-cars are a thing of the early 90s. When in comes to volunteer firefighters, in eastern Germany, you still have a lot of old GDR trucks and vehicles in service.

@3j2m7Do you have any idea how to implement flavor objects into Combat Mission? If there are not enough good flavor objects, I think about making some with Zbrush, if that is possible. What ideas do you have about flavor objects?

I think this is an important game, because it is not just some hypothetical war, it is THE hypothetical war. Most of the military equipment used nowadays goes back to this hypothetical warm and this counts for both sides of a conflict. Only slowly we get a shift towards modern asymetrical warfare against unconventional forces. Most existing vehicles, planes, guns, atgms, equipment were designed to meet there, at this moment when the cold war would have gotten hot. This stuff was not created to be used in Afghanistan or Syria, but to be used in central Europe. In the end, it was used in other wars and conflicts, because it was available, because everyone was preparing for this one war that never happened.

I opened a thread about possible German 80s flavor objects

For me, firstly a Germany Module for a War in Germany is important. So East Germany NVA troops against West German Bundeswehr. I am not familiar enough with the NVA troops to know about details of their equipment, but for the Bundeswehr, I not only expect familiar vehilces like The Leopard 1 or 2 and the Marder, but also vehicles like the Luchs, the super quiet armored reconaissence vehicle. The Wiesel was not available yet, but the American M48 was also used in the Bundeswehr as well as the M113 is a lot of variants. Important is also the "StuG" of the bundeswehr, the KanonenJagdPanzer, also in its ATGM form as Jaguar. As Trucks, there should be Unimogs, U404S and its sucessor U1300L, these are the working horses of the Bundeswehr. Cars should be VW Typ 181 (Kurierwagen) and its sucessor the Iltis, which was still quite new at that time. For air defense you need Gepard and from 1980 on also Roland. I think the Flakpanzer M42 is not so important. For offmap artillery you need to have M109 and LARS2. But other nations are important as well, British Forces, Netherlands, maybe France. On the Eastern side I would expect Poland and the Czechslovakia.

I think it is because they didn´t use it, but because some Hungarian guy bought a West German, former East German Police car. Really a rarity.

I grew up in the west, so I am not sure, but didn´t the GDR police cars look differently and were all called "Volkspolizei"? This looks like GDR Trabant transformed into a west German police car, so very much a rarity and something that doesn´t fit the cold war at all, but more the early 90s. Again, this would fit better, if you want to have a police car, I think.

Yes, these buildings are everywhere and extremely generic and iconic for the 60s and 70s. Of course, they have gone nowhere, so they where still there in the 80s and are still here today, but you can see what time period they are coming from. Would be a miss, if you conldn´t place something similar on the map, because pointed roof half-timbered houses only would feel a bit oldfashioned and more like a 1940s map. Although, in tiny villages there are still a lot of them.

How is it about buildings and roofs? Are there flat roofs available as well, or only pointed roofs? Of course, pointed roofs are very common, but especially in the 60s and 70s they also build a lot of flat roof houses in western Germany as well (compare pictures). They were often build as a cheap replacement for urgently needed appartments, because a lof of the architecture was destroyed in the war, while the conditions were terrible in the late 40s, new families needed room to live in during the 50s, which didn´t exist yet, so these type of houses were build to deal with the problem.

Yes. I remember it as well, even very good, although I was so young. I was already in bed back then, because I was just four years old, and the Wall came down quite late in the evening on the 9th of November. My father was so excited and woke me up, to shove me in front of the TV, so I would not miss that moment. I have never forgotten about it, even as I was a small child at that time. I also remember seeing the scenes on TV the next days, how all the Trabbis were going west.

Are there some late 70s early 80s German flavor objects? Very nice would be the old TelH78 phone booth, which could be found everywhere at that time, or a letter box. A very easy to make flavor object would be a "Fußballtor", for a small "Bolzplatz" a kind of low budget soccer field, which there are many in Germany, even today. Very typical for rural areas are also these green trailers, with the red wheels. I don´t know why they are all painted the same color, but they are. Another typical Flavor object of that time could be the VW Golf I in red. Which was a very common car at that time. Are some of these in the game?

I am sure this will be the case.

I bet this will come later on as a module.

I think it was more an expression of the feeling to be overwhelmed, without chance of victory. I was a Bundeswehr Soldier as well, but long after the Cold War. I am too young for that. I only have one active memory of the Cold War, and that's the fall of the Berlin Wall when I was 4 years old. But I know a lot of the older Generations, and have talked to them as well about their time in the Bundeswehr in the 80s or 70s. And quite often you hear "The Bundeswehr is only there to slow down (or hold down) the enemy until a real army arrives". But you are right, during that time, the training and dedication was very strong. "Die Russen kommen", was always a fear of that time, and East Germany was for a lot of people already as far as Siberia.

@Battlefront.com great to hear more about the backstory of this project. This sounds all very well thought and reasonable. Hope the cooperation with Slitherine will pay of great for you, and that you will a lot of new customers from other platforms who otherwise wouldn´t have found their way to this game. I already preordered on your website, because this is the game I was asking for. Really looking forward to it. Great job.