LUCASWILLEN05
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There is nothing to prevent green troops fro having high morale and thewere are historical examples of this. Moreoften however they won't be that well motivated
So for instance you could have Training Green )or Conscript with Extreme or Fanatic motivations. These might represent, for example, a unit of Shi'te militia Iraq 2014. These are newly raised, largely civilian volunteers with no training or military experience but full of religious fervor. You can of course adjust ratings in individual squads to account for small units who actually do have some experience. Also don't forget leadership caan have an effect as well
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I would also love to see a CMBS extended into the winter of 2017 - 18 but I doubt Battlefront will ever do it. Does not fit with their previously existing scenario. Though of course they could get around this with an extended war timeline from the NATO or Russian victory storylines. They will never do it of course!
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20 hours ago, sid_burn said:
Last I checked the game goes green, regular, veteran. No clue what “experienced” is
Mistake on my part. I meant "Regular" I must have been thinking of a set of miniatures rules or possibly interrupted by Kitty. You cannot say no to this! :-)
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6 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:
Despite what certain parties might have you believe, things are rarely 'Black & White' eh?
I did briefly consider doing a Pristina Airport scenario for CM:SF.....With someone other than General Sir Michael Jackson in charge:
Maybe it was something like that scenario which starts off our hypothetical war in Ukraine. Well it is either that or the Camlan Scenario (accidental clash between advancing Russian forces and US/NATO units ordered into Ukraine with orders to reach the River Dnieper before rage Russians get there. Somebody shoots. - who it was depends on who fires first in the game.
A scenario based on the concept of the opening clash in Hackett's Third World War when US Marines and airborne troops are deployed to Yugoslavia. Since we don't have US Marines it would have to be airborne units. Perhaps reinforced later by a US Stryker unit and/or Ukrainian units marching to the sound of the guns. You could even do a campaign depicting an escalating series of engagements over the next few hours or days.
As you suggest the opening engagement could take place in the vicinity of an airport.
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Chances are that green troops won't stay around unless they have good morale in which case they will just get the stuffing knocked out of them.
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I think there is an excellent case for including French, Germans, Polish, British, Baltic States, Netherlands, Belgians and Canadians on the NATO side. Also Belorussia for the Russians. More than happy to buy DLCs for all of the above. For the French contingent the Foreign Legion will have to be present for obvious reasons!
Likely however the Marines will be arriving before any of the above. Semper Fi!
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Any news on the CMSF new engine yet. And the new modules for Red Thunder, Italy? And when are we gooing to get the Marines Module for Black Sea?
Yes, I know. When they are ready!
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5 hours ago, sid_burn said:
@kinophile I never joke, especially when it comes to combat mission.
Lowering US army units to Experienced would probably be about right. Except for the Marines, 82nd Airborne, 101st Airmobile who remain as Veteran
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Lower those US experience ratings!
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If these vehicles were to be included they should be rare in summer 2017. Probably just the Armata tank and IFV being combat tested in the field would be a realistic assumption. Kurgenets just for fun more than anything else. However one would have to take a best guess regarding capabilities and one should be more cautious about likely specs
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Will the new Russian veghicles be included in CMBS
T-14 Armata
T-15 Armata IFV
http://www.military-today.com/apc/armata_heavy_ifv.htm
Kurganets -25
http://www.military-today.com/apc/kurganets_25.htm
Admittedly some of tghese are still prototypes which might be field tested in the 2017 war in small numbers but would be fun to have in game nevertheless
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Short answer is that the armoured war in Ukraine becomes a brutal armoured slugfest on the steppes
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Here we see the kind of thing that often passes for a road in Ukraine - and I suspect this is one of the better ones
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Reading some of the better accounts of the Kursk campaign might well be an instructive indicator. Many of the secondary roads in Ukraine are still probably little more than dirt tracks as we have seen in much film footage of the conflict in the region. And, at the tactical level vehicles, whether armoured or tracked must come off the roads at some point. All you need then is a decent continental thunderstorm - and these things are much more intensive than most thunderstorms we have in the UK. I have personal experience of this kind of storm while on summer holldays in Switzerland. You get a great deal of rain in a short period. Historical accounts of thunderstorms in Ukraine during the summer of 1943. For instance a severe thunderstorm during the late July 1943 assault by II SS Panzer Korps during the late afternoon om the third day of the battle brought the entire assualt to a halt because the ground turned to deep mud conditions after perhaps half an hour of torrential rain in a severe thunder storm. It has been noted that similar storms took place quite frequently during the Battle of Kursk.
Our Ukranian War takes place at the same time of year/ Severe thunder sorms in Ukraine are likely in this Continental climate zone. This is not a case of Stryker hate. All wheeled vehicles on both sides would suffer similarly. And tracked vehicles almost as much - as they diid in the summer of 1943
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13 hours ago, IMHO said:
Give me Abrams' 65 tons...
PS By the way these are pics from standard Russian tank training facilities.
Some of those tanks seem to have joined the Russian navy (submarine arm :-) ) Seriously though these photos prove the point in regard to just how bad it can be even for tracked vehicles. If tanks end up like this wheeled vehicles like BTR and Stryker have no chance :-)
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13 hours ago, DerKommissar said:
I assume the roads have improved in Ukraine, since Kursk. I think the entire concept of the Stryker is that it is mostly meant for highways. There are plenty of other vehicles that can handle the less-kept country roads.
Wheeled vehicles have more ground pressure, and are inherently worse traversing soft ground. You are absolutely correct that it applies to BTRs and BRDMs. BRDMs even have weird belly-wheels installed, specifically to alleviate this problem. Wheeled vehicles should be traversing roads, and tracks can handle off-road. It takes two to tango.
The main roads maybe. Secondary roads maybe not so much. Cross country however still the same. And yes, I agree BTRs etc will have the same problem. However, judging by accounts of the 1943 summer campaign (Nipe Blood Steel and myth as well as his Decision in Ukraine) summer thunderstorms can be very intense with torrential downpours. Given the nature of Ukrainian soil even a short thunderstorm lasting perhaps 30 minutes or so is enough to turn the ground conditions to deep mud. In Combat Mission terms we would set the ground conditions to the worst available option - muddy. With a strong possibility of our AFVs bogging down and moving far more slowly than normal. We both I think understand that in those conditions wheeled vehicles are going to have even more issues than a tracked vehicle. Even on dirt tracks. Metaled roads however will remain useable for any armoured movement - except for being covered by enemy ATGM teams of course :-)
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1 hour ago, DerKommissar said:
I always saw the Stryker as a well-armed, well-armoured, truck. They seem to be designed to take advantage of 21st century road systems. On road, a wheeled vehicle can get a much better liter per kilometer than a tracked one. More range means more strategic mobility. A Stryker can zoom back and forth with passengers, supplies and wounded. No tracks means less maintenance, which saves time and money. They've got lots of room for stuff and make a tall target. Yet, they're quiet and fast -- perfect for dropping infantry off and getting out before contact.
If you want an off-road Stryker, just use one of these:
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Awful things would happen to Stryker and other wheeled vehicles in Ukraine if you get heavy rain. If you think what happened to that M113 was bad what will happen to a wheeled vehicle is worse, If you read detailed accounts of Kursk and for that matter during other summer 1943 battles heavy thunderstorms and awful ground conditions stemming from this are a significant feature. Some of the fighting in our modern Ukraine scenario could well take place in similar conditions. Just set the ground conditions accordingly and try to run your Strykers through the mud. Watch the bog! :-)
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Another likely issue with the Stryker in the Ukraine/Eastern European Theater is the wheels v tracked issue, In summer Ukraine and Russia are prone to heavy thunderstorms with torrential downpours which turn that rich Ukrainian soil to very nasty mush. The Germans found this was a severe problem. most famously during Operation Citadel. In fact the frequent thunderstorms during the battle were one of the reasons for the German failure.
Tracked vehicles are also going to have problems but it will be far worse for wheeled vehicles like the Stryker and of course the BTR series Again, for me the Bradleys and BMPs win out
Plus of course the Stryker is not designed for the high intensity armoured battle and the infantry passengers, like 18th and 19th Century dragoons needf to dismount some distance away and advance on foot supported by the anti tank variants. However the high intensity armoured battlefield which means the SBCT may not always be able to do so as early as commanders may wish resulting in potentially heavy vehicle losses
I prefer the HBCT and the M1A2/Bradleys combinmation over the Strykers any day :-). Strykers are fine for your low intensity COIN but that is not the kind of war we would see in the peer level combat of a NATO v Russia war in Eastern Europe
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I would be happy to purchase additional modules including more armies if Battlefront is willing to make the. Particularly Post Saddam Iraqi, Turkish, Jordanian. Israeli, Saudi, Iranian.
Given real world events in the region there are plenty of historical gaming and near future hypothetical conflicts/ Plus this tank is too cool to leave out of any modern Middle East game
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I am not a big fan of WW2 Pacific. I would rather BF concentrate on finishing their current titles first then do more on the Russian Front. There is a case for early war ETO including Poland, France, Western Deser. Perhaps a title like Combat Mission Blitzkrieg, wrapping up the 1939 - 42 WTO into one family
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23 hours ago, Combatintman said:
And none of this is happening as per my post in the other thread. Put simply, CMSF 2 is CMSF upgraded to the Version 4 engine and there is absolutely no appetite on Battlefront's part to make it anything other than that.
Their loss
What killed my recon squad ?
in Combat Mission Final Blitzkrieg
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Perhaps a mortar?