Hetzer38

That's true Sergei, but the only "real" gun-camera film showing the BK 3,7 at work is the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg(01:40) posted by ParaBellum; and I think there can only be little doubt that this clip shows 37mm HE rounds being fired from several Ju87 "cannonbirds" of "Panzerjagdkommando Weiss" at soviet shipping in the Kuban-area February 1943... The "Stettin-March-1945" scene (films 1 + 2) shows a Ju87G filmed from the ground, and the "Rudel vs tanks" scene (films 3 + 4) shows a Ju87G filmed from another aircraft, and there's (very) little doubt what kind of aircraft was filmed. Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 08, 2007, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

That's true Sergei, but the only "real" gun-camera film showing the BK 3,7 at work is the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg(01:40) posted by ParaBellum; and I think there can only be little doubt that this clip shows 37mm HE rounds being fired from several Ju87 "cannonbirds" of "Panzerjagdkommando Weiss" at soviet shipping in the Kuban-area February 1943... The "Stettin-March-1945" scene (films 1 + 2) shows a Ju87G filmed from the ground, and the "Rudel vs tanks" scene (films 3 + 4) shows a Ju87G filmed from another aircraft, and there's (very) little doubt what kind of aircraft was filmed. Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 08, 2007, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

BTW, did you know that you can (really) easily download all the YouTube vids by using this (free) Online FLV Converter ? JU87G "films" (...found so far...) * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m63oJu39EPk(01:47) posted by Tero; - Stettin, March 1945 - a lone Ju87G (Rudel?)makes two strafing runs on russian tanks,... * "Stukas in 1945"(01:40); - Hs129s and Ju87Gs attacking soviet tanks on the snow-covered fields of Pomerania (January/February 1945); - "Stettin sequence" of the lone Ju87G....slightly better quality then the first vid... ...looks (and sounds) to me that the Ju87G fires 5 shots (bursts?) in the first and 3 shots (bursts?) in the second attack-run...? * "Documentary on Stukas"(04:18); - Celebration of 100,000th sortie flown by Stukageschwader 2; - Ju87Ds dive-bombing and making low-level "Steckrübenwurf" bomb-attacks against soviet armour; - Rudel making two attack-runs on soviet tanks in his Ju-87G, firing one burst of two rounds during each attack. * "Rudel vs. Russian tanks"(00:28); - ...short version of the vid above, just showing Rudel in action... * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg(01:40) posted by ParaBellum; - February 1943 - battle of the Kuban Bridgehead. Modified Ju87D-3 of "Panzerjagdkommando Weiss" in action against soviet shipping and landing craft (Rudel was credited with destroying 70 of these craft after a month). - The film shows eight attack runs (one against two targets) of the "Kanonenvögel" against soviet shipping... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 07, 2007, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

BTW, did you know that you can (really) easily download all the YouTube vids by using this (free) Online FLV Converter ? JU87G "films" (...found so far...) * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m63oJu39EPk(01:47) posted by Tero; - Stettin, March 1945 - a lone Ju87G (Rudel?)makes two strafing runs on russian tanks,... * "Stukas in 1945"(01:40); - Hs129s and Ju87Gs attacking soviet tanks on the snow-covered fields of Pomerania (January/February 1945); - "Stettin sequence" of the lone Ju87G....slightly better quality then the first vid... ...looks (and sounds) to me that the Ju87G fires 5 shots (bursts?) in the first and 3 shots (bursts?) in the second attack-run...? * "Documentary on Stukas"(04:18); - Celebration of 100,000th sortie flown by Stukageschwader 2; - Ju87Ds dive-bombing and making low-level "Steckrübenwurf" bomb-attacks against soviet armour; - Rudel making two attack-runs on soviet tanks in his Ju-87G, firing one burst of two rounds during each attack. * "Rudel vs. Russian tanks"(00:28); - ...short version of the vid above, just showing Rudel in action... * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg(01:40) posted by ParaBellum; - February 1943 - battle of the Kuban Bridgehead. Modified Ju87D-3 of "Panzerjagdkommando Weiss" in action against soviet shipping and landing craft (Rudel was credited with destroying 70 of these craft after a month). - The film shows eight attack runs (one against two targets) of the "Kanonenvögel" against soviet shipping... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 07, 2007, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

ULTRA-sexy beast! Thank you so much (again!) for all your hard work Mikey! Cheers, Hetzer.

Completly off-topic, but still interesting...and since there was a lot of talking about ships... [from: Osprey Aviation - Junker Ju 87 over the Mediterranean] ...three Stukas were lost ("missing") in the attacks on the Illustrious on 10th January... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 06, 2007, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Completly off-topic, but still interesting...and since there was a lot of talking about ships... [from: Osprey Aviation - Junker Ju 87 over the Mediterranean] ...three Stukas were lost ("missing") in the attacks on the Illustrious on 10th January... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 06, 2007, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

...BTW "some", does that mean, one, two, or thousands? How do you verify a kill from watching a tape? ... </font>

...BTW "some", does that mean, one, two, or thousands? How do you verify a kill from watching a tape? ... </font>

Some more info on Kronstadt, 1941... [from: Stukas over the Steppe - The Blitzkrieg in the East, 1941-1945, by Peter C. Smith] Cheers, Hetzer38. [ March 06, 2007, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Some more info on Kronstadt, 1941... [from: Stukas over the Steppe - The Blitzkrieg in the East, 1941-1945, by Peter C. Smith] Cheers, Hetzer38. [ March 06, 2007, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Undead reindeer cavalry, I've updated the "list" again, now it's 4363 tanks... Of the 78 listed pilots, the majority are Sturzkampf- (St.G.) or Schlachtgeschwader (SG) - pilots. Those 10 pilots who flew for 10.(Pz)-Staffeln were dedicated anti-tank flyboys. Then there are some Zerstörer- (ZG) and Kampfgeschwader (KG) pilots and a single fighter-only-jockey... (Hptm. Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert- RK 01/07/42 - JG 77, JG 27, JG 7 - 10 tanks / 174 aircraft). ParaBellum, great video! Thank you very much for sharing! It's sad that the quality is so poor... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 06, 2007, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Undead reindeer cavalry, I've updated the "list" again, now it's 4363 tanks... Of the 78 listed pilots, the majority are Sturzkampf- (St.G.) or Schlachtgeschwader (SG) - pilots. Those 10 pilots who flew for 10.(Pz)-Staffeln were dedicated anti-tank flyboys. Then there are some Zerstörer- (ZG) and Kampfgeschwader (KG) pilots and a single fighter-only-jockey... (Hptm. Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert- RK 01/07/42 - JG 77, JG 27, JG 7 - 10 tanks / 174 aircraft). ParaBellum, great video! Thank you very much for sharing! It's sad that the quality is so poor... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 06, 2007, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

I found two Rechlin drawings @ IL2-forums... 1. E'Stelle Rechlin E6 -- FL - Bordwaffen-Munition -- 3,7cm H-Pzgr. Patr. L'spur o. Zerl. 2. E'Stelle Rechlin E6 -- FL - Bordwaffen-Munition -- 3,7cm H-Pzgr.L'spur o. Zerl. 3,7cm Hartkern-Panzergranate Leuchtspur ohne Zerleger -> 3,7cm hardcore-AP tracer w/o self-destruction Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 05, 2007, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

I found two Rechlin drawings @ IL2-forums... 1. E'Stelle Rechlin E6 -- FL - Bordwaffen-Munition -- 3,7cm H-Pzgr. Patr. L'spur o. Zerl. 2. E'Stelle Rechlin E6 -- FL - Bordwaffen-Munition -- 3,7cm H-Pzgr.L'spur o. Zerl. 3,7cm Hartkern-Panzergranate Leuchtspur ohne Zerleger -> 3,7cm hardcore-AP tracer w/o self-destruction Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 05, 2007, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

John, I thought the 120mm penetration ability "claim" was way high, now this lists the "Hartkernmunition" fired by the BK 37 as being able to penetrate 140mm @ 100m @ 90°... :eek: from: TANKBUSTERS: AIRBORNE ANTI-TANK GUNS IN WW2 According to this site, the BK 3,7's 37x263B cartridge's projectile weighed 405 grams. Muzzle Velocity: 1,140 m/s, Muzzle Energy: 263,000 joules. Rate of fire for the BK 3,7: 160 rpm. Make sure to see rest of this freakin' detailed site comparing the air-to-ground-anti-tank equipment used by the USSR / Germany / GBR / USA in WWII. Comparisment of different guns and cartridges (plus Cartridge Illustrations, YUMYUM:-) and weapon platforms...and info and stuff! Edit: Here, here and here are more photos of 37x263B rounds... from TONY WILLIAMS' AMMUNITION PHOTO GALLERY. BTW... Where have all the Rechlin penetration-charts gone? Where have all the Ju87G gun-camera films gone? (They did have gun-cameras aboard, didn't they? Wouldn't that explain how some "Luftwaffe-eyewitnesses-only-claims" were "confirmed", by just viewing the "tape"?) Damn, I bet they're locked up secure somewhere "über den Teich". Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 05, 2007, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

John, I thought the 120mm penetration ability "claim" was way high, now this lists the "Hartkernmunition" fired by the BK 37 as being able to penetrate 140mm @ 100m @ 90°... :eek: from: TANKBUSTERS: AIRBORNE ANTI-TANK GUNS IN WW2 According to this site, the BK 3,7's 37x263B cartridge's projectile weighed 405 grams. Muzzle Velocity: 1,140 m/s, Muzzle Energy: 263,000 joules. Rate of fire for the BK 3,7: 160 rpm. Make sure to see rest of this freakin' detailed site comparing the air-to-ground-anti-tank equipment used by the USSR / Germany / GBR / USA in WWII. Comparisment of different guns and cartridges (plus Cartridge Illustrations, YUMYUM:-) and weapon platforms...and info and stuff! Edit: Here, here and here are more photos of 37x263B rounds... from TONY WILLIAMS' AMMUNITION PHOTO GALLERY. BTW... Where have all the Rechlin penetration-charts gone? Where have all the Ju87G gun-camera films gone? (They did have gun-cameras aboard, didn't they? Wouldn't that explain how some "Luftwaffe-eyewitnesses-only-claims" were "confirmed", by just viewing the "tape"?) Damn, I bet they're locked up secure somewhere "über den Teich". Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 05, 2007, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Indeed he does, and so do you! Damn, I really suck at expressing myself in english and at making comments on your work, I know, but I love your Mods ! Tausend Dank Mikey ! Cheers, Hetzer

Right, Lexikon der Wehrmacht also lists the Panzergranate mit Leuchtspur as avaiable ammunition for the 3,7-cm-Flak 18/36... Edit: And please have a look at my post in the CMBB-cross-post regarding BK 3,7 ammo. Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 05, 2007, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

...it's coming home - it's coming home... Luchterlog-Warplanes also have an overview of the different rounds used for the BK 3,7: My wacky translation of the text beneath the image (on the Luchterlog-page): Overview of the 3,7cm BK ammunition. No new ammunuiton had to be developed for the Stuka-Kanonen. The Luftwaffe could rely on ammunition used by the Flak 3,7cm 18/38/37 and Pak 3,7cm 36/L45. These were: 1. Minengranatpatrone 18, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. (both upper sketches). 2. Brandsprenggranatpatrone, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. 3. Sprenggranatpatrone 18, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. 4. Springgranate 18 (blind) without Leuchtspur and Zerleger for weapon-testing. 5. Sprenggranatpatrone 18 (blind) Leuchtspur without Zerleger for exercises. 6. Granatapatrone 18 for weapon adjustment. 7. Exerzierpatrone 18 for the drill. The Minengranatpatrone were mainly used against air aims. + the "M" and "L" types mentioned in my previous post... Cheers, Hetzer.

...it's coming home - it's coming home... Luchterlog-Warplanes also have an overview of the different rounds used for the BK 3,7: My wacky translation of the text beneath the image (on the Luchterlog-page): Overview of the 3,7cm BK ammunition. No new ammunuiton had to be developed for the Stuka-Kanonen. The Luftwaffe could rely on ammunition used by the Flak 3,7cm 18/38/37 and Pak 3,7cm 36/L45. These were: 1. Minengranatpatrone 18, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. (both upper sketches). 2. Brandsprenggranatpatrone, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. 3. Sprenggranatpatrone 18, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. 4. Springgranate 18 (blind) without Leuchtspur and Zerleger for weapon-testing. 5. Sprenggranatpatrone 18 (blind) Leuchtspur without Zerleger for exercises. 6. Granatapatrone 18 for weapon adjustment. 7. Exerzierpatrone 18 for the drill. The Minengranatpatrone were mainly used against air aims. + the "M" and "L" types mentioned in my previous post... Cheers, Hetzer.

already posted on CMAK-forum, but! (...for fear of being drowned by IL-2 related posts...;--) ...it's coming home - it's coming home! Stuka's coming home... Sorry for posting completly out of context, but! There were several remarks about the Ju 87G-1 / G-2 having a maximum ammo-load of 12 rounds (6 per clip per gun)... ...gentlemen, this is incorrect. :cool: ...Ju87G-1 full-size-box-magazine... (photo from: Kagero Monograph 25) ...half loaded right wingpod box-magazine: (photo from: Luchtoorlog-Warplanes) ...compare the size of the six-round clip with the (overall) size of the box magazine... (photo from: Luchterlog-Warplanes) from: Luftarchiv. from: Sturmvogel. ...makes for a whooping total of 24 rounds per "Kanonenvogel" - sortie. :cool: Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 08, 2007, 08:26 AM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

already posted on CMAK-forum, but! (...for fear of being drowned by IL-2 related posts...;--) ...it's coming home - it's coming home! Stuka's coming home... Sorry for posting completly out of context, but! There were several remarks about the Ju 87G-1 / G-2 having a maximum ammo-load of 12 rounds (6 per clip per gun)... ...gentlemen, this is incorrect. :cool: ...Ju87G-1 full-size-box-magazine... (photo from: Kagero Monograph 25) ...half loaded right wingpod box-magazine: (photo from: Luchtoorlog-Warplanes) ...compare the size of the six-round clip with the (overall) size of the box magazine... (photo from: Luchterlog-Warplanes) from: Luftarchiv. from: Sturmvogel. ...makes for a whooping total of 24 rounds per "Kanonenvogel" - sortie. :cool: Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 08, 2007, 08:26 AM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Luchterlog-Warplanes also have an overview of the different rounds used for the BK 3,7: My wacky translation of the text beneath the image (on the Luchterlog-page): Overview of the 3,7cm BK ammunition. No new ammunuiton had to be developed for the Stuka-Kanonen. The Luftwaffe could rely on ammunition used by the Flak 3,7cm 18/38/37 and Pak 3,7cm 36/L45. These were: 1. Minengranatpatrone 18, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. (both upper sketches). 2. Brandsprenggranatpatrone, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. 3. Sprenggranatpatrone 18, Leuchtspur mit Zerleger for Luft-Boden attacks. 4. Springgranate 18 (blind) without Leuchtspur and Zerleger for weapon-testing. 5. Sprenggranatpatrone 18 (blind) Leuchtspur without Zerleger for exercises. 6. Granatapatrone 18 for weapon adjustment. 7. Exerzierpatrone 18 for the drill. The Minengranatpatrone were mainly used against air aims. + the "M" and "L" types mentioned in my previous post... Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 04, 2007, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]

Sorry for posting completly out of context, but! There were several remarks about the Ju 87G-1 / G-2 having a maximum ammo-load of 12 rounds (6 per clip per gun)... ...gentlemen, this is incorrect. :cool: ...Ju87G-1 full-size-box-magazine... (photo from: Kagero Monograph 25) ...half loaded right wingpod box-magazine: (photo from: Luchtoorlog-Warplanes) ...compare the size of the six-round clip with the (overall) size of the box magazine... (photo from: Luchterlog-Warplanes) from: Luftarchiv. from: Sturmvogel. ...makes for a whooping total of 24 rounds per "Kanonenvogel" - sortie. :cool: Cheers, Hetzer. [ March 08, 2007, 08:29 AM: Message edited by: Hetzer38 ]