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Thanks for the list. Starting to get the urge to play CMBN again and was wondering about mods. Now I just need one big zip file to save me some time... edit. Yeah I'm not lazy either!

It only mentions predicted firing. There are no examples of battery(troop) accuracy with observed fire. I guess it should be fairly accurate and within less than 50 meters?

If I understand it correctly then the wind and temperature meant that the mean point of impact simply shifted. The maximum was 700 yards but the average value was 200-250 yards.That was a survey of Operation Veritable. The books also mentions a survey of Operation Switchback where it was down to 4.8% but apparently meteorological effects mean not so much compared to calibration. It also has some figures showing impacts compared to the target, and you get both types really: either the target is in the periphery of the impact zone and then a couple where impacts seems pretty wildly scattered.

If one goes by the conclusions in Montgomery's Scientists then only about 5.1% of the rounds hit within a 100x100 yard area of a target position. The main reason seems to have been meteorological effects. IIRC it is mentioned somewhere (one of Terry Copp's books?) that they did try to improve it after Normandy(using balloons and radar) but the effect might not have been that great. Edit: for mortars it would IMO not be as bad though.

FWIW I think they might be killing too much when one looks at rounds fired. I just like to see more variable ROF depending on number of targets and an overall better suppression. They seem rather impotent against the AI human wave attacks I have seen. Or maybe I just expect too much of them.

OK similar to my test then and I was testing one US platoon v two HMG's at 450 to 500 meters. When I went closer to IIRC 120-150 meters the HMG's were suppressed and cut down so quickly that I could not check rpm.

Yes they were deployed. I tested both as German as well as American to check how many soldiers were cowering. I'm sure shorter range is better but that goes both ways and, in my admittedly limited experience with quick battles, HMG's seems generally to be overwhelmed very quickly at shorter ranges, as if they simply can not deal out enough firepower against multiple targets. But it is my understanding that HMG's could easily be deployed several hundred meters away from front positions and expected to support them. I just don't see how that is gonna give any good effect in this game if they can't deliver more firepower?

Now I might just be an ignorant armchair general but I do have the impression that HMG's (in this case MG42) don't suppress that much. I ran a few tests on a flat map and noticed how they fired and they seemed to do only about 50 to perhaps 70 rpm. That strikes me as more typical of a LMG even though they clearly could see multiple targets. I don't know what to expect from HMG's but from what have read so far they should suppress enemy troops more than what I see in the game. Or am I just missing something?

Sitting here half drunk on Calvados and just noticed fallschirmjägers are not in. (Yes inspired by The Clay Pigeons of St. Lo) But OK they will come later I just found out. But apart from that it sure looks like good. Now I'm off to get kicked hard by the AI in a quick battle.

Hm I was just doing the last check before bedtime...Bocage or bed? Aaargh!

Mine installed fine. I used the German link.

http://www.worthdownloading.com/download.php?gid=5100&id=23310 Larger file...but installing now

As it is DHL that is shipping it, I presume its their fee of 187,50 Kr you have to worry about. http://penge.dk/forbrug/artikler-forbrug/de-dyre-pakker-fra-udlandet (Sorry, in Danish) But if you are lucky the package will go through without being noticed by customs. I have no life so decided to cancel it. No need to worry about a potential hit of an extra $55 and the money is already spent on a bottle of Calvados

Except that the EU is not the reason for the VAT nor fees that some of us could be hit with.

Thanks for being fair and no need for a (futile) hunt for virgins