SgtDuke6216

Oh Ok we are on the same sheet of music. I guess I didn't understand the your Regiment and Brigade statement earlier.

We still use regiments in the USMC, but as stated by my esteemed coleauge from the 42d Infantry Division..Brigades are used today for a quicker, and lighter force. Although some Divisions do retain a standard regimental system, ie, 82AB, 101AB and a few ARNG Divisions. Its what the Army jams into a brigade that make it not from the standard understanding of Military Structures. In the USMC there are generally 3 Battalions in a Regiment(and thats since 1940). There are exceptions, Artillery Rgt being one and reinforced regiments being the other. In the US Army there are generally 3 Battalions in a Brigade. I think they call it a Brigade is because its a combined arms force and there is no "true traditional" unit identity. Our Infantry Divisions have significant Heavy Armored Assets. And the Armored Division has a significant amount of Infantry. In WW2 this wasn't the case. There were seperate infantry, armored, and cavalry divisions with traditional TO&E structures. This started to change after WW2.

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I have found that AI also targets the objective flags with arty, but usually only if there is a low number of flags and AI's mission is Attack or Assault.

Yup!, The rest of the Division is spred out in Upstate NY. The 1-127AR is in and around Buffalo, Olean, Dunkirk, Cortland, and Jamestown. The 1-101Cav is in Staten Island, Newburgh, Troy and someplace else I can't remember. If I remember correctly Camp Smith in Peekskill has an HHC for one of the Bdes of the 42nd. The FSB and Arty in all over NYS and NYC and is the Avaiation. I grew up near Mcgarther Airport in CI. And remember the Hueys, They now have Blackhawks.

There's also 1-111th Infantry (PA National Guard) which traces its lineage to colonial times. In fact we still carry the "Franklin Flag" which he designed and wear "Bennies" on our berets. The way I understood it was that the brigade system in the US Army replaced the regimental system to be more in line with the combat commands used in WW2. In WW2 in order to form a combined arms team they would form three combat commands from an armored division. After the war they came up with the brigade system so that armor and inf would be under the same command in peace time and able to work together in training instead of having pure inf or pure arm regiments who only got to meet their better half at the front. </font>

There are still units from the civil and even revolutionary war. In the 42nd ID there is the 1Bn/69th Infantry,,thier roots go back to the revolution and they also made up the Irish Bde in the Civil War. They are from NY and are still based in NYC. Irish Imirgrants came off the ships in NY Harbor and were immediatley drafted in to the Army and sent south...most never returned. But they did fight with valor at Gettysburg. Also in the 42 ID is the 113 Rgt, which traces it origins all the way back to the French and Indian Wars. They were the Milita of Northern New Jersey then became the 1st Eastern Battalion in the Revolution. They then became the New Jersey Rgt in the Civil War and finally in WW1 they were designated the 113th Rgt. Again in the 42ID there is the 112th Arty Rgt which during the revolution was the Eastern and Western Cannon Companies. The 182nd Rgt traces it lineage back to 1636 when it was named the Northern Regiment then it became the Middlesex Rgt a few years later. Massachusets that is and not in jolly ole England. They too ended up fighting the English in the Revolution but the were redesignated Gardner's Rgt under the Massachusets Army. I belive they actually became a the 3rd Division, Massachusted Militia. Most of the ARNG and Reserve units on the Northeast coast have old lineage and most were levied by the British during the occupation..errr, colonial times...some even fought each other in the Civil War. The 1st Bde of the 29th ID was formed as a Rgt of Milita in Virgina during the Revolution. Then they went on to become the 1st Virginia Bde, Army of Shenandoah in the Civil War. I believe this Bde and the 69th fought against each other during the Civil War. So there are still some unit that trace thier linege back to occupational....errr..colonial times. I believe thier Rgts colors even still have the battle streamers. I know the College I went to in the south has 8 campaign stremers for combat actions in the confederate army....so there still is "Ancient History" within the US Military, but on a sad note the USMC has no unit that can try its origins back to "ages ago" except for maybe "8th and I" in Washington DC, but they are for ceremony only but are still considered light infantry. Our roots are 2 battalions of Marines that were raised in Philidelphia, PA on Nov 10, 1775 by Capt Samuel Nichols.(the birthday is still celebrated today with vigor!) The Marines were disbanded at the end of the Revolution They were reformed in about 1798. But all of those units were Battalion size and ships company. We really didn't get our current system until about 1913. [ May 24, 2004, 01:12 AM: Message edited by: SgtDuke6216 ]

In short...No, The US Army still has Rgts. The Brigade concept came back around the late 90s when Bubba butchered...errr..I mean "reorganized" the US Military because thier was no more "Soviet" threat. He must have forgot about Koreas 8 Corps of which are mechanized and no one really knows exactly how big they are. What had happened was "old" divisions were disbanded completely or they became ARNG Divisions. Forinstance the 2nd Arm Div became the 4th ID(Mech),[bubba take credit for making the 4th ID the most "tech advanced" unit in the Army and the World, the fact is that they already were when they were the 2 ArmD]. The 24 ID became the 3 ID and the "original" 3ID became the 1 ID. Weew, complicated ain't it. This is were it gets really complex. In the divisions there are three Mech Brigades, 1 aviation bde, DIVARTY, they are the principle fighting force ("a new lighter army") and the brigades do have "rgts" in them but they are not major commands except in the case of the 82nd AB and 101 AirAssault. With all the reorganization at the end of major conflicts and the scaling back many of the Rgts were chopped up and what was left was organized into these Brigades. The Army even has Seperate Brigades that are not attached to any Divisions but are shifted to Divisions to enhance combat power. The US Army has 9 Active divisions, 10 National Guard Divisions, 13 Reserve Divisions, 6 Seperate Bde, 15 Enhanced Seperate Bde, and 6 Stryker Bdes. There are are more units but thats the bulk of it. NOW, unlike the US Army the USMC has not changed much since 1941. We have 3 Active Divisions, 1 Reserve Division, 3 Active Air Wings and 1 Reserve Air Wing, 2 Amphibious Bde (MEB), and there are also 4 FSSG, which are Division Strength but are Service and Support Groups. 3 Active, 1 Reserve. We also fight as a Battalion (Bn Landing Team)(MEUs), Regiment (Rgt Combat Team) or MEF (Marine expeditionary force). The Divisional Make up is 3 Rifle Rgts and 1 Arty. Each Division has 1 Tank Bn except the 4th Marine Division(reserve) they have 2, 4th and 8th Tank Battalions. We keep it simple...the 1st MarDiv has the 1,5,& 7 Rgts(rifle), and 11th (Arty, 155towed, USMC has no SP)They also have absorbed 3/4 (3rd Battalion, 4th Marines) from the 3 Mar Div. The 1st Mar Div full name is the 1st Marine Division(+) reinforced. The 1MarDiv makes up the main body of I MEF. The 2nd MarDiv is made up of the 2, 6, and 8 Marine Rgts(rifle) and the 10th Rgt (Arty, again all 155mm towed, no SP and nothing smaller, we do have about 400 105mm in storage but don't use them.)The 2 Mar Div is the main body of the II MEF. The 3rd MarDiv is really only a Bde if you ask me. They only have the 3rd Marine Rgt, Elements of the 4th and the 12th Marine Rgt (arty). The 9th Marines used to exist but they lost thier colors in Vietnam I think and the Rgt was not allowed to ever come back to US soil. It was based on Okinawa were they were disbanded. The Division was hammered by the downsizing of the Military. The Last Divison is the 4th. They have the 23, 24, and 25 Marine Rgts, and the 14th is an Arty Rgt. And they also have 2 tank bns, the 4th and the 8th. Each Division has 1 tank bn(exception)1 Light Arm Recon Bn, 1 Engineer Bn, 1 Assault Amphibian Bn, and 1 Recon Bn,,(I hope I got everyone)If the USMC needs to deploy in size they take the Division whos AO is within the hot zone and they become the lead MEF and units from other Divisions are attached. (i.e., During OIF, Iraq is in I MEFs AO so that means the 1st Marine Division deploys and the 2nd and 4th Marine Divisions attached units to I MEF. We have been doing this concept for years and years. The Army and USAF has been catching on but they think the created the Expetionary Force and Composite Air Wing concepts ,,to much pride to admit that they took the idea from the USMC. When a MEF conducts operations they make what is called Regimental Combat Teams (RCT) all it is ,is a Marine Rifle Rgt that has elements of arty, eng, and armor attached to it. The RCT carries the Rifle Rgts Number, ie RCT-5 is the combat team made up around the 5th Marine Rgt. I hope I have shed light on your question,,,I won't go into the Air Wings because they are a bit complicated, unless you want me too

hmmm,,,have you ever been the the US National Archives in Washington D.C.?

good point, I would have to agree with that. My question is, how many "vets" did the Germans have left towards the end? It couldn't be many due to the Volks units and children concripts....

This is because of his "artistic license". He has said that he makes his movies in they way he remembers them being "glorified" when he was growing up. Just as Coppola does, Come on "Apocolypse Now" please..... Mike you got to stop refering to Speilberg, Ambrose, Hank,etc as the respected and main stream though of the US in WW2. Just think about what it would be like if Americans took what Micheal Moore and Sean Penn said as truth.....shutter the thought.

Actually the US tankers called the Sherman, "Rolanson Lighter", "Zippos" and "Steel Coffins" because as you already know, The Sherman had a terrible survivability rate. And when hit they usually burned instantly because of the ammo location. Losing 3 out of 4 Shermans in a platoon against 1 Tiger was actually considered acceptable. The thing of it was that there were more Shermans than Tigers and PzIV, etc and they could be replace the Tank and crew,,but the replacement crew did not have much experience with the Sherman and usually ended up KIA/WIA on thier first time out.....Some practice eh?

I own a Springfield M-1 made in 1943 and issued for use in the ETO and it shows. I was looking to get a CMP match M-1 but I went to the site and coulnd't find all the criteria. I have to join a CMP affiliate and shot in competitions right? Which is not a problem, I have been looking to shot in comps ever since I left the military.

Ah! Ok I get you now. The US Army practiced the first part of your statement in the begining until about 1943 I would venture to say. Yet another hard lesson learned.

What the HELL does this mean?! Can anyone make sence of this? It's just unfair to have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.