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I just tested CMBN v2.12 (with both modules; bought but haven't installed the massive 10gb 3.0 file), and CMBB.
 
Okay, several points:  (Yes, I know I'm contradicting myself about not arguing.)
 
1) Well, duh, the reason people keep "burbling on" about the LOS tool (a terminology hold-over from CMx1) is because it's the ONLY FRIGGIN WAY WE CAN TELL HOW FAR OUR TROOPS CAN SEE!  It isn't rendered, it isn't defined, and I can't ask my troops... wait, yes I can!  Battlefront gave me this cool little tool that started with CMBO  IIRC, 15 years ago, it goes from light blue to dark blue and pink where I can't see anymore.  Isn't that cool?!?  So nice of them to keep the tradition going all this time.
 
2) The LOS tool DID tell you that in CM games for over a decade (a reasonable *max* spotting distance).
 
3) An identical test in CMBN v2.12 done on the same date at both 1900 and 2000 give average spotting distances of a single running soldier out to a reasonable average of 202m, max spot 316, min spot 59m.  LOS indicates 390m.  I'd say it kinda correlates.
 
3.5) Why does LOS indicate different in CMBN- 2Sep 1900 CMBN 390m, CMRT 83m.  Is Ukrainian fog somehow different?  Maybe Chernobyl makes it foggier, no… wait.  Line of Sight is how far you can see or spot.  This is reduced in low light conditions.  Light fog is light for optical clarify whether it’s 1200 or 2300.  The game is clearly NOT giving visibility, because that doesn’t change day or night.  So the game is clearly, somehow, trying to give you an idea how far away your guys can identify targets of some type.
 
4) Better soldiers spot better bc of better training and discipline, not bc they don't have cataracts.  Well, usually.
 
5) In aviation (which is pretty much what modern international meteorology is based upon), fog starts at 1/2sm.  That's 805m.  As CM uses identical terminology as aviation haze, mist, fog, etc, I'd say it also correlates.
 
6) I think there is a significant difference between "light fog" and once in a lifetime I can't see someone standing in front of my car fog.
 
7) Just about everyone has seen fog.  I have routinely (in real life) landed corporate jets and airliners at 1/2sm / 1800 RVR AKA "light fog", at night (have gone lower when/ where legal).  I have routinely taken off in jets down to 500 RVR which is "heavy fog" in anyone's book.  Night is actually easier than day.  Granted, there are runway lights.  Some airlines can go even lower.  However, if the visibility at the DA was such that I could run over a T-34 during taxi, without noticing it, we all would have been dead (kidding)... or actually just gone to the alternate.  Visibility below 100m / 300' is very rare.  Personally, I compare the measurable results of professional experience combined with thousands of airports that report extremely reliable weather over an apparently once in a lifetime experience.  Maybe they should make that the title of a setting in the game- Light Fog, Fog, Heavy Fog, and “One Time with my Dad Super-Doom, Zombie Movie Fog”.  I think I'll add that to my strings file now.
 
8) CMBB Sep’44, Dusk, Fog (no light fog) gives ~190m LOS with regular initial spotting of infantry to about 100m, retention of those targets to about 200m (difficult due to Borg spotting).  Man, CMBB sure still is fun!
 
9) The general consensus is that low vis in v3.0 engine is busted.  That consensus includes CMBN v2.12 and CMBB.
 
Somebody pass me my friggin cactus,
Mike

There, all set for Battlefront to incorporate. 

 
Just playing around,
Mike

Two in one day! 
 
I prepped and added my CMSF American book.
 
As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the American forces. It is 63 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the American forces of CMSF, including all modules (inc Marines).
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

Two in one day! 
 
I prepped and added my CMSF American book.
 
As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the American forces. It is 63 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the American forces of CMSF, including all modules (inc Marines).
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

Two in one day! 
 
I prepped and added my CMSF American book.
 
As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the American forces. It is 63 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the American forces of CMSF, including all modules (inc Marines).
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the Syrian forces. It is pretty large, at 77 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the Syrian forces of CMSF.
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the Syrian forces. It is pretty large, at 77 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the Syrian forces of CMSF.
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

Two in one day! 
 
I prepped and added my CMSF American book.
 
As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the American forces. It is 63 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the American forces of CMSF, including all modules (inc Marines).
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

As you may have seen on other forums I am releasing my CM books for free. 
 
This one is for the Dutch forces.  It is 23 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the Dutch forces of CMSF.
 
Click the link in my sig.  It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably.  I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

As you may have seen on this and other forums I am releasing my CM books for free.
 
This one is for the Syrian forces. It is pretty large, at 77 pages detailing the equipment, formations, and support for the Syrian forces of CMSF.
 
Click the link in my sig. It is my hobby website, not a storefront.
 
More to follow... probably. I have books like this for just about every country in just about every CM game.... plus tons more.
 
Enjoy!
Mike

I have decided to make a bunch of my books available for free download (but I don't promise how quickly I will upload them). First of these is the "Environment" book for CMBS. (Also, the very similar book for CMRT.)
 
Please visit the link in my signature. It's not a commercial website. There are no ads. Enjoy.
 

 
Mike
 

I have decided to make a bunch of my books available for free download (but I don't promise how quickly I will upload them). First of these is the "Environment" book for CMBS. (Also, the very similar book for CMRT.)
 
Please visit the link in my signature. It's not a commercial website. There are no ads. Enjoy.
 

 
Mike
 

I have decided to make a bunch of my books available for free download (but I don't promise how quickly I will upload them). First of these is the "Environment" book for CMBS. (Also, the very similar book for CMRT.)
 
Please visit the link in my signature. It's not a commercial website. There are no ads. Enjoy.
 

 
Mike
 

I have decided to make a bunch of my books available for free download (but I don't promise how quickly I will upload them).  First of these is the "Environment" book for CMRT.  (Also, the very similar book for CMBS.)
 

 
Please visit the link in my signature.  It's not a commercial website.  There are no ads.  Enjoy. 
 
Mike

I have decided to make a bunch of my books available for free download (but I don't promise how quickly I will upload them).  First of these is the "Environment" book for CMRT.  (Also, the very similar book for CMBS.)
 

 
Please visit the link in my signature.  It's not a commercial website.  There are no ads.  Enjoy. 
 
Mike

I also add my vote to several others on here that I sure would like to see it as a module rather than a stand alone.  That way I can still play on maps I already made, plus, hopefully it would add a bit of content to the Normandy/ Market Garden scenarios.  (Plus, I hate to keep installing the same program over and over, simply wastes space on the hard drive.)  They were talking about a NEW CMSF instead of a 3.0 upgrade.  Probably easier, but that city map I spent 200 or so hours on.... all wasted.  I loved how CMBB went from, well Barbarossa to Berlin.  I could build scenarios to mix and match whatever equipment I wanted.  (I also love the early war stuff.)
 
Once again, MODULE PLEASE, even if it's still $55.  (I know that throws a wrench into their "CMBN Master Installer" theory though.)
 
Mike