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    Surrendering Troops and Contact Sharing

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Lethaface said:

    Perhaps not a formally recognized and bureaucratically legalized word, but those are the best ones me thinks.

    Actually, research reveals that it is a word according to some dictionaries.

    But it's an adjective, not a verb.

    So if you are unsurrendering, it means you are the indominable sort who doesn't surrender.

    It doesn't mean you surrendered but have now changed your mind. I'm not sure there actually is a word for that.

    There. I've learned another thing. 🤓

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    Surrendering Troops and Contact Sharing

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Erwin said:

    IIRC in CM2 rescued/liberated units seem to have their original weapons(?)

    They didn't have their weapons in CMx1 because the situation was different. They'd probably be marching off the field.

    In CMx2, if they surrender but haven't become white flags (at which point they can't be "rescued" anyway), they'll still have their weapons next to them.

    So if they're trying to surrender (after which they don't move) and the enemy doesn't actually take them prisoner, but your guys get close enough first and tell them to "pull themselves together", they can pick up their weapons and do whatever.

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    Surrendering Troops and Contact Sharing

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by John1966

    55 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said:

    We the player don't have to be aware of active enemy units nearby.

    You'll have to trust me on this. It was quite a few turns ago and there was definitely no-one near them.

    Depending on what you mean by "near". How near is near?

    They'd been sat there with their hands up for a while already because I didn't think it was safe to enter their building due to the nearby church. But it turned out it was empty by then (except for dead Germans) so I went in to this neighbouring building to pick up the prisoners.

    I can confirm the village was not cleared at the time but no-one in at least 100m (approx). In fact their nearest friendly had also surrendered (and he was well away from them anyway). And he white flagged without anyone entering his AS. But I had a squad babysitting this lot for several minutes while everyone else went on past. I gave up when it got silly and assumed it was a bug. When they eventually white flagged (because they did in the end), I hadn't discovered any nearby unknowns.

    52 minutes ago, Lethaface said:

    Not ruling out a glitch or whatever...

    I'm going for glitch because I've not seen it before. They normally white flag at the end of the minute you enter their AS.

    52 minutes ago, Lethaface said:

    Especially in PBEMs surrendering units can be a menace, because they can provide info to the other player through the eyes of the surrendering troops. 

    Yeah, that's a bit naughty. Soon as they stick their hands up they should stop relaying info.

    If they end up unsurrendering (which is not a word), that'd actually be a good feature. In fact if you could rescue them after being properly taken prisoner it'd be even better. They'd know all sorts.

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    Surrendering Troops and Contact Sharing

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Erwin said:

    What nationality are the inf refusing to surrender in a timely manner? 

    These were German (WWII).

    1 hour ago, Lethaface said:

    You don't need troops in the same AS to stop units from white flagging.

    As far as I'm aware there were no non-surrendering friendlies anywhere near them.

    But they did share an AS with good ordered hostiles (my guys) for several minutes.

    To be honest, if they're going to be sat there with their hands up with enemy troops stood right next to them and they don't white flag and disappear, they're not really surrendering. In fact, they'd still be legitimate targets.

    But then why do the white flag disappearance some time later when there's no one there to accept the surrender?

    2 hours ago, Lethaface said:

    After a short while (usually about 1-2 minutes), units attempting to surrender “succeed” to do so, and disappear under a white flag icon.

    Basically, this is what didn't happen.

    2 hours ago, Lethaface said:

    It is possible to prevent units from surrendering, by “rescuing” them. In order to
    do this, you need to first clear out all nearby enemies, and move friendly units into the proximity.

    Yes, I've done that to my own pixeltruppen quite a few times. If they were in a separated team but you get them back into their original squad they also return to "good order" as well (assuming that's the state of the squad).

    I think I preferred it in CMx1 when control passed over to you and you just ordered them off the field (although I can understand why they changed it).

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    Surrendering Troops and Contact Sharing

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Lethaface said:

    If you moved your forces out, the surrendering ones would probably pick up their weapons and resume the fight (although in poor morale state).

    No, they disappeared after I'd given up trying to take them prisoner.

    As far as I understand, the only time a pixeltruppen stops surrendering is when friendly non-broken units (or perhaps just non-surrendering) arrive in the same AS. (Which definitely didn't happen here)

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    Why won't my halftrack fire?

    in Combat Mission Battle for Normandy

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    33 minutes ago, Warts 'n' all said:

    Meanwhile remember that dismounted tank crew can be used in your M5s if they have got nothing better to do.

    Funny you should mention that. I was wondering that last night. Never actually tried it.

    That's actually pretty useful. I've got quite a few crews sitting around.

    I've also got a couple of tanks with the MA and MG out so I've just returned them to the rear. So they could dismount and man the halftracks.

    (I've considered having the neutralised tanks advancing with everyone else to provide extra targets but that seems ruthless, unsporting and more than a bit gamey)

     

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    Why won't my halftrack fire?

    in Combat Mission Battle for Normandy

    Posted · Edited by John1966

    3 hours ago, mjkerner said:

    Did you open them up?

    Do I have to? Never bothered with German halftracks and they fire OK. My Bren carriers have been firing with gay abandon without an open up order (including the sitting over the side firing with a Sten).

    Is this something in a patch since I last played?

     

    Apologies to @Vacilllator for giving away the presence of the Queen of the Battlefield.

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    Why won't my halftrack fire?

    in Combat Mission Battle for Normandy

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Vacilllator said:

    Anyway, perhaps your British chaps have LOS but not LOF? 

    If it was a one-off oddity, I'd assume that was the case. But it's every single incident. I've got red target lines from them. Not a single shot has been fired.

    I wouldn't worry about the spoiler too much. All you know is the Brits have some halftracks and their MGs don't work. ;)

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    Why won't my halftrack fire?

    in Combat Mission Battle for Normandy

    Posted · Edited by John1966

    Playing Colossal Crack. British infantry in M5 halftracks (yes, they are manned). Haven't fired a shot. Not one of them. Been given target orders (area fire and specific targets) and they've spotted bad guys. 45 minutes in and not one has fired a shot. Tried orders to both the halftrack and the crew. Nothing. Every single one will not fire. What am I doing wrong?

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    Unbalanced VP parameters ruining otherwise great scenarios.

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

    Posted

    13 hours ago, RepsolCBR said:

    To be honest I kind of wish that BFC did NOT design their scenarios to be playable from both sides...buth rather...

     

    Now this is something that has always bothered me.

    We often see scenarios that say they're suitable to be played as either side against the AI. Every time I see that I raise an eyebrow.

    Unless the AI can play as well as a human, how can that even be possible?

    If I'm playing the AI then I tend to assume the odds (in terms of forces on the field) are going to be stacked a bit in it's favour, especially if the AI is attacking. So I'm never quite sure how a scenario can be suitable for playing the AI no matter which side you pick.

    And I've played a few of these where it proved to be a walkover and I think I picked the wrong side.

    *SPOILER*

    NEDforce was a classic example (although I can think of others). I played the Germans and I'm not entirely sure how I was expected to lose as the British had left one flank completely open. Might have been a challenge trying to plug the gap if I'd been the British. But the AI isn't very good at that sort of thing.

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    Unbalanced VP parameters ruining otherwise great scenarios.

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

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    When I'm playing a historical scenario and I get my butt kicked, I don't mind it that's what happened in real life.

    On the other hand, if I do better than they did in real life, I probably expect to be awarded with some form of victory.

    So it occurs to me that in that sort of scenario, achieving an objective that wasn't taken in real life should be awarded a lot of points.

    But obviously parameters should be taken into account. In fact, they should always be taken into account with the possible exception of maybe Eastern Front scenarios where the Russians are in an "at all costs" mood.

    So I suppose it depends on the situation. A lot of those modern scenarios (which I confess I don't play) shouldn't result in victories just because you took the objective if you lost an unacceptable number of men doing it. Acceptable American losses in a modern scenario are going to be very different from acceptable Russian losses in 1942.

    What I'm trying to say is that objective vs parameter points should be vary wildly from one scenario to another. It's all accordin'.

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