Dinsdale

Depends on where you are. Canadian residents wait several weeks thanks to customs.

APDS problems were linked directly to sabot seperation issues with 1-2 batches of amunition. About 1 in 7 IIRC went high. Will verify that My vote is the 17 Pdr. AtGun

French RGs fired using live rounds. Rest used Blanks. The No.68 Mk I/II was relatively ineffective due to its need for close to 90 degree hits to cause proper detonation. Later MKs had better angles but still were hard to get good hits with. They are far from precision targetted devices. They did work OK against Bunkers/walls etc. when not faced with a bunch of different angles in a small area (tank). I have 2 No.68 Mk IIIs at home. They are quite small and light.

I don't think Never is a good word. "Rarely" might be a better word. Or possibly "Not often" Didn't take much time to dig this up 2 days without resupply before being wiped out. Also at Dieppe. That's 2 seperate fronts, 2 sepearte armies. Both ran out of ammunition after many hours of fighting. No resupply. [ June 15, 2004, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Dinsdale ]

April '43

You touch on it and then continue to make blanket statement that US Marksmen are better. As a whole, no they were not. Compare specifically Marine marksmen vs Others, and you may get a different result. Get it? I have UsArmy Ammunition Data sheets if someone has Brit/Canadian ones.Everything from .22, .410 shotgun through 30mm Cannon rounds. [ May 14, 2004, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: Dinsdale ]

You cannot take Marine Marksmanship and equate it to All US troops. They trained differently, and had different standards.

Funny how the III at the Patton Museum has the same values as the one at the Bovington museum. I'll measure the one at Borden as well later in the Spring. But of course, your "drawings" are more accurate.

That is all fine and dandy but as a Production tank has the following values, measured off the tank, I question the value of your 'original drwaing' until you find any production tanks with a values that corroborates your inforamation.

You are misunderstanding. Look at this PIIIE Compare to the IIIH which has a large External Mantlet.

I have for armoured regiment May 1942: Regiment with 3 Squadrons. 55 Cruisers 6 CS tanks 8 AA tanks

I recognize that drawing from a 1943 report on the Vulnerability of German tanks to 20mm MKIII AP I can send it to you if you like. [ March 22, 2004, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Dinsdale ]

Front Turret armour is 30mm. Mantlet is 37mm. You can hit the Turret Front without hitting the Mantlet.That and the Viewport covers are 25mm-30 mm and vulnerable as well.

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