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Any idea which kind of top attack ammo that would have been? Some posters in the thread mentioned 155mm BONUS round? https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1679876219192344576?s=20

Robotyne...russian advance... https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1679856225855369222?s=20

I can clear that up easily: O´Brians remark was right on spot in my book and I still think the general gave a moronic answer to the press question, because: a) He didn´t answer the press question in the first place. See quotation above, question was about capability and usefullness of F-16s for Ukraine. b) Instead he used the diplomatic lingo of conditions not being "ideal" - russian AD and Air capability and possible numbers of F-16s and said zero about the points asked. All else written by Butchi is his own interpretation what people might mean and what not. I won´t comment on that, because its pointless and leads nowhere.

Nope it isn´t. You obviously were inconvenient with O´Brian quoting said general via Kiev Independant and making this remark: I would be fascinated to see a war when the conditions for something were ‘ideal’. That’s a peculiar threshold. They key thing is can they help and the answer is yes https://t.co/VTM8nAyhsT — Phillips P. OBrien (@PhillipsPOBrien) July 14, 2023 Now tell me where O´Brian or the Kiev Independant misquoted said general.

Huh? This is exactly what he was asked, and this is what his answer was, see below or here: Lt. Gen. Douglas A. Sims II (USA), Director for Operations, J-3, The Joint Staff; Brigadier General Pat Ryder, Pentagon Press Secretary, Hold a Press Briefing > U.S. Department of Defense > Transcript Out of context quotation? Certainly not. Now argue about O´Brien or Kiev Independant misunderstood something? I don´t think so. Anyways...your call... Q: Hi, Sir. Thanks so much for doing this. I wanted to ask you about the counter-offensive and -- since it is going a little slower than some may have liked, it seems like perhaps this might last longer as well. And as we go into the fall, you look at new U.S. equipment that is potentially arriving -- the Abrams, for example, maybe even F-16s. Can you talk at all about what kind of capability those weapons would bring to the counteroffensive and how useful that would be? GEN. SIMS: Yes, sure, Ma'am. Well, let me start with air. We've said this for a while, you know, this -- the conditions on the environment certainly are changing over time. But the conditions right now for the employment of the F-16s are probably not -- they're probably not ideal. I mean, the Russians still possess some air defense capability. They have air capability. And the number of F-16s that would be provided may not be perfect for what's going on right now. As the future changes, that certainly will dictate how that is employed. In terms of the Abrams, you know, the Abrams will certainly make a difference on the battlefield. I mean, we know it's an extraordinary tank. And, you know, the training ongoing right now will make them, you know, I would think, extraordinarily good at employing them. I can't tell you whether the offensive would still be going on by then or not, I just know that when the Abrams arrive, they'll be able to make a difference with Ukrainians.

Yep that fits perfectly my definition of a moron! Same argumentation used as for not delivering tanks because the Orcs still have anti tank capabilities and tanks. But keep on defending these folks. It is your call.

You can´t make this stuff up, can you? "Not ideal" what a moron! "The battlefield conditions in Ukraine are currently "not ideal" for the employment of F-16 fighter jets, Lieutenant General Douglas Sims said on July 13." https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1679749679427272710?s=20

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1679390504331485185?s=20

Yep. Totally agree on that. Here is the full Handelsblatt article on that: Bundesregierung löst offenbar Deal für Panzerwerkstatt in Polen auf (handelsblatt.com) As I already speculated yesterday, might well be that Ukraine will do the servicing and repairs themselves. Quote from the article:

On the Leopard issue we discussed recently. Looks like Germany terminates the repair agreement. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1679067504801464321?s=20

OK Visegrad, I know. Nevertheless it is an Interview with Budanov. Interesting enough in itself. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1679035457483464705?s=20

Yeah, we are all witness to a big theatrical play we still don´t understand. Prig will be back on 05/08, Shoigu publically threatens to use cluster ammunition as retaliation that US is sending that to UAF and Gerassimov fires one of his Generals and sents him into the ditches to the front. The clownshow goes on.

He´ll be back...on 5th of August...

Yeah could be. Also what Blackmoria wrote. UAF will be given 155mm ammo. Range 30km? Hard to reach Tokmak with that.

I don´t think US logistics is that quick. I know they are quick, but that quick? Not so friendly fire?

Better than butyric acid...

If true, a good signal for UAF, specifically in the Tokmak axis. https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1678761664488042496?s=20 Gerasimov removed the commander of the 58th army (Orikhiv area), Major General Popov, because he threaten to raise the issue of troops rotation in his area of command directly with Putin. He was sent directly to the frontlines according to this report. His troops are in the area of the 47th Ukrainian brigade, which operates Bradley IFV and Leopard tanks. The Russians are tired, they will break, it is a matter of time.

Well, pretty obvious they cant invite or offer him membership until the hostilities haven´t ended. Anyways pretty good signals and one futher step ahead for Ukraine today: Vilnius summit brings Ukraine closer to NATO, but direct invitation withheld (kyivindependent.com)

Well it always is about revenue. In this case, obviously, there is not much economic incentive for invest or joint-venture for the poles. Maybe we will see a totally different solution in the future and Ukraine will use the new RM plant they already are building with Ukroboronprom [1], [2]. [1] Marco Seliger: Rheinmetall will künftig Kampfpanzer in der Ukraine bauen. In: NZZ Neue Zürcher Zeitung. 12. Mai 2023, abgerufen am 25. Mai 2023. [2] Rheinmetall will build and repair tanks in Ukraine, says CEO | CNN Business

I guess you overread the part where Maciej Zwolinski described the alleged "need" for a new hub other than the existing structures? That is an investment in infrastructure which makes zero sense for the poles, because in the future they only have to care about their own Leo2PL, K2 and M1s. Why should they invest here without an economic incentive? And with this additional invest in infrastructure, why should they offer service for the same price as RM or KMW offers from within their own structures? Makes zero sense economically and strategically.

Actually RM is part of the consortium building the Leo2PL, so I guess there are not that much "trade secrets".

Yeah yeah, but all this fuss for the 18 2A6 Germany gave? The rest of the 2A4/2A5/Strv122 are/were donated by other countries. As mentioned, all of those can perfectly well be serviced at the existing facilities by the poles. If I were PGZ I wouldnt be wanting to give the germans an "Extrawurst" for nothing, why should I?

Well it is not like the poles are handling Leo2s for the first time. They are servicing them since 2002 within their own structures.

Crazy. IMHO there is zero need for this joint venture bull**** and a new hub, because the poles were servicing their own Leo2s before perfectly fine without any help. Now they can service the UAF Leo2s also there at that place and get paid for that by german gov. What the heck is the problem? Dont get it. Do the german gov say they only pay for UAF Leo2s service if condition a) and b) ist met? If they want the conditions a) and b) met, they need to pay extra for it.

More Storm Shadows / SCALP EG from France and material worth 600mio EUR from Germany including: 2 Patriot SAM launchers + surface-to-air missiles 25 Leopard 1A5 tanks 40 Marder 1A3 IFVs 20.000 artillery shells Leopard tank shells 5.000 smoke shells 5 BREM Bergepanzer 2 Recon drones and anti-drone systems