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Well I broke down and got Black Sea, as did a friend of mine.  We used to play CM1 TCIP and PBEM all the time.  So far I like the game a lot.  This is the first title I have purchased of CM since Shock Force, and I must say I think Battle Front has got this pretty close for a tactical game, nice work.

Well I broke down and got Black Sea, as did a friend of mine.  We used to play CM1 TCIP and PBEM all the time.  So far I like the game a lot.  This is the first title I have purchased of CM since Shock Force, and I must say I think Battle Front has got this pretty close for a tactical game, nice work.

This thread is out of control, so I am throwing more fuel on the fire, stirring the pot....oh yeah baby!
(1)  Russia does not have a free press, all the media outlets are now under the governments control, so nothing coming from them should be considered as creditable information.
(2)  Russian has created this problem by interfering in a country that is not their own.  Certain parts of eastern Ukraine with large Russian populations have declared their own country/territory/state/ whatever, and Russia has taken advantage of the situation by providing arms and clandestine troops to aid in this cause.  Which is like parts of Texas deciding to join Mexico or form their own country, not going to happen and is illegal by all standard of international agreements, standards and law. 
(3)  This war will last a long time.  Watching some of the videos from both "rebels" and Ukrainian "forces", neither looked very competent or professional, and reminded me of what I saw in the middle east, very poor infantry tactics, poor combat discipline and technique.  Which tells me, this "little war" will go on for a long time, as neither side seems to be very good at fighting, much like the Syrian war.  Not surprising, considering Russian performance in recent history, Afghanistan, Chechen War 1994-1996 and 1999-2000, Russo-Georgian War 2008, (the best Russian troops proved to not be Russian troops, but Russian mercenaries).  Also, both Russian and Ukrainian military tradition/doctrine IS Soviet Army doctrine, which has little NCO tradition of small unit leadership, tending to be "top down" lead, with conscripted soldiers.  I saw this first hand myself helping to train some former Soviet Republic forces in 2011. In other words they do not have a western tradition an NCO corps, a professional military and their forces suffer competency accordingly.
 
 
If Russian were to cause Article 5 of NATO to be invoked, (BTW article 4 HAS been invoked currently due to Russian actions in Ukraine), I suspect the exchange rate between NATO and Russia would look very much like WW II between Germany and Russia, quality verse quantity, and particular so against US forces, combat experienced after 14 years of war, (granted mostly doing light infantry counter-insurgency work and LOTs of MOUT).  It is not equipment and technology that decides the day, but leadership, training and doctrine.  Russia has some good equipment, but cannot match NATO man for man, NCO for NCO or Officer for Officer.
 
Last, this entire thread should never have been allowed to remain in the game section, and should be moved somewhere else, and it seems to have hijacked the Black Sea GAME forum to talk about Russian policy.  Also, it should be no big surprise that Russia is classifying casualties, the US would do the same if the US were adding a pro American separatist force in Mexico for example, which is crazy talk, but 10 years ago if someone had told me Russia would try to annex parts of Ukraine, I would have said that is crazy talk. 
 
Last, I think Battlefront has a secret crystal ball they can see the future, how did they know this war would take place?  What other secret information about the future are they not telling us?