Wildass69

I meant Empire Total War. Just got my memory mixed up. Empire looks hot and is due March 3rd or 4th!

I don't post here much. When I do it's because I'm thrilled or P_ssed. Today I'm the latter and being as anticipathic as the rest of you over Campaigns I stumbled upon RickWelch's post while seeking truths and answers about Campaigns. I must say, RW, that you are far too kind in your assessment of TOW. I finally bought it a few weeks ago (fortunately at about half of what you paid) hoping to pacify my anemic hopes in Campaigns. I wish I had my money back! This game has been out close to two years? Am I right? And yes I did play the Demo when it first came out. I wasn't too impressed then but you know how it is with these publishers - after two or three patches you often have a pretty decent sim. So I bit and then got to see all the things the Demo didn't show you. After two years, where are all the mods? Why do I have to write code if I want to have triggers in any custom senarios? Who desided an Elite Tiger could be outgunned by an Regular Cromwell and where the hell is my PzIII Gs, Hs, Ls etc.? I don't like incoming shells that sound a church organs and I don't know what you call the aircraft. But the graphics are pretty so I guess the main idea was covered wasn't it? And finally in the Campaign mode where is the Continuity that makes it a Campaign in the first place. And what happened to 1942 in the German Campaign? I was going to try to add some of the 11th Pz Division's stellar actions of Dec. 1942 to this Campaign but nuts to that! First of all I'm not a software wiz and second where are the units I need (engineers? light calibre mortars? 251 variations? anti aircraft guns?) This package ain't worth the trouble! And I haven't even touched on how the game plays. It's a good thing I'm not green otherwise I might find the AI's attack on the trees not nearly as amusing as I do. I think this is the perfect place to post this kind of message. We've been waiting 4 years for Campaigns. So if you are frustrated with my post - so am I! Just so y'all know I'm waiting with equal enthusiasm on The Creative Assembly's "Total War Imperialism". I am a loyal Battlefront customer but don't do a TOW to me again!

I have a natural American accent and a fair idea of what might have been said on the WWII battle field. All they have to do is ask. How hard is that?! "...com'mon you dogfaces! Move yer asses! MOVE, MOVE, MOVE!" Cheezy? Yeah... but more credible than "Hoooorah"!

I'll likely order this one tho I don't think it will happen this week. Looking beyond the cheezy American Rebel yells (and not even that - what 1930's westerns did I hear those war crys in??) I see a lot of possibility in this game assuming the Mission Editor Builder is really that good. .... Naw, those American yells have got to go. We are not the cliche' you think we are!

I've been playing EB for the last few weeks - thanks for the Link! If you've played RTW you will find EB facinating. Well, I do anyway. It is more complex as far ast Strategy goes and that makes it more interesting. RTW is long enough that once you get thru one campaign you feel you've at least mastered the basics... and it starts to loose some of it's polish. The complexity of EB (more units more buildings and a more relistic Military Industrial complex) makes you have to think about the future. Some things remain mysterious. For free and the trouble of downloading it's worth playing.

Casual CM players?.... Is there really such a thing? I watch this site and occationally pipe in. You can bet there are at least a few others keeping their eyes on it too who never say anything. I'm not nearly as pessimistic about their sales when it comes out. In fact, you watch the wildfire. I doubt there are many CM players who are "casual". All those dormant CM players will be back at it. It will be just like they had released "CM - Warsaw to Paris" or somethin'! We are a dedicated bunch, make no mistake. "Have a little faith, baby. What's with all these negative vibes...?"

Yeah? Any chance you have a link to that sage2? I tried the RTR mod and while it was great it locked on me at a cetain point. Couldn't get past a certain year. No like-ee!

Well... one thing is for sure; They better do something quick because obviously some of you are starting to twitch with cabin fever.

Geez! Wonder if Orville and Wilbur Wright felt this way...? I still play CMBB and I'll be sorely disappointed if you listen to all these expert! On a different note, in response to the Mayan doomsday "noise" : how the heck did the Mayans know the earth wabbles one cycle on it's axis every 25000 year?!!! Oh yeahhhhhhh!!! - that's right! The Mayans had some, yet to be determined, connection with extraterresials! Does anyone remember when all the planets lined up in 1979? Does anyone remember the frantic social noise when we faced down the Iraqes in 1990? Does anyone remember Y2k? How much water did you store? Does anyone see a pattern here? Does anyone have any reasoning power anymore?

Vaaaaaperrrrware Vaaaaperware..... It sounds so cooooool. I think they (the vaperboys) just like how it sounds.... Sorta like sallllzzzaaaa... salsa.... Oooooooooooo... "have a little faith, baby" - Oddball

{Don't give false hope to unwashed.... } I am NOT a part of the unwashed!! I took my anual bath just last month!

{You guys gotta make better wishes. You're wasting birthdays people!} Actually, I never celebrate my birthday. I celebrate the anniversary of my 29th birthday - have been for years! That way I never get older than 29. SO! They missed the XX anniversary of my 29th Birthday!!! The nerve!

They missed my birthday too! THe nerve! Hey! If ya don't mean it don't ring my doorbell!

I don't blame you.... blood thirsty Tigers. Well if you do deside to play it pbem keep me in mind. I think i'd like to try after thinking about it. The idea of keeping the view at the lowest level and depending on "optics" is intriguing. May try an AI scenerio to see how that goes.

Manhay at Christmas; I'll have to check it out. I suppose I'll need to download and install one of the Northern Europe mods. Haven't had much luck with that yet.

I'd be willing to try the ground level attitude; We just agree to keep it on level 1. Any objections to using the zoom? I've not seen Mayhan at Christmas (tho I may have downloaded it. I've not tried to load up any of the theatre mods so I'm not prepared to do Northern Europe. But it sounds like a fun scenerio - always happy to see Panthers in my command! WA69

If you are talking to me I'll set up as the Germans. If you are talking to Sporty let us know how it goes. WA69

In my world I don't do to bad. In y'all's world I'd probably stink. But I have fun.

Sportsguy. I might (MIGHT) be interested in playing the Germans for you PBEM. I have never played this game or any of the CMs against another human. The AI is good in some scenarios but not so good in others and this limits playing some that look very interesting. Also the AI gets very predictable. My experience has been primarily with CMBB always as the Germans. I think I understand how to use the German equipment pretty well against the Computer Ivans. But I've played for perhaps 3 years and I couldn't tell you how to set up a PBEM game. When I first got CMAK I started to play TV but by the Time I got my Tigers onto the battlefield my computer fried itself (Hot Tigers!!) and I just never got around to reloading CMAF on the new Tiger proof computer until a month ago. So in some sense I kinda know how the game works and that might be to your disadvantage but I can tell you things are different on the eastern front and sometimes the Tommys and the desert are something of a challenge. WA69

I agree with Baneman. I'd enjoy playing anything around Kharkov in the spring of '42. Isyum has always been of interest. I also continue to enjoy Kursk. Anything in which the Germans still had some modicum of hope, real or imagined. And of course 22 June, 1941. WA69

I apologize for being myopic with the BF main forum page. This is definitley on my list of games which by definition is very short. Right now it has two entrie, CMC and now this! Looks fabulous!!! Thanks, AD

MikeyD What Napoleonics Games are you talking about (Not Cossacks II, I hope)? Derrell

I guess the summary for me would be when you forget it's just a game and things get out of hand - the kind of things a real commander would be livid over (I'm not confessing to loosing my temper at a computer game!) - that's when you realize this is one of the best games out there!

Everything that has been said is true and I would echo. I am a lover of history especially history of warfare. You can play most time periods these days from the dawn of history right into the future. To me the ultimate period of warfare (so far) was the WWII frame. This was THE crisis of the human race. I'm not sure why that is so interesting to me but it is; perhaps because so much was at stake. The CM games aren't just games. They are experiences. They offer at least some sense of what the battles of that great struggle were like. Someone called them honest. They are. They are better than playing miniatures, not just because all of the calculations and consistancy are provided for you, not just because they provide a continuity that makes battle flow believable but because they allow you to express your innovation by putting you right into the battle. I'd like to share an example. It's probably no great revelation to most of you but it was one of those little things that make you feel really good because you figured it out for yourself: In a CMBB battle I was faced with a situation where a Russian 85mm AA/AT was place in such a position that I could not advance without facing it and I could not directly attack it without dangerous exposure to my units, in this case Tiger Is. In fact I'd already lost two Tigers to this very gun. It was situated in front of a brick factory located in the middle of the village and the structures between my units and the gun were what was making it impossible to "overwhelm" it. It was a problem. Suddenly it dawned on me that the 88mm guns on my panzers were more than capable of leveling the factory. Since the Russian gun sat at the base of the factory wall all I need to do was knock the wall down on the gun - and I could certainly target the wall! It only took a few rounds.

It's been a while since I've posted anywhere on this forum. But I have never stopped playing CMBB. I think there are a lot of people like me. CMC has my full anticipation in gear. Recently I started playing "Rome Total War". I'm sure many of you have played at least one of the Total War series. These games combine Strategic, Operational and Tactical aspects of warfare into one game; thus the name. In what I've seen of CMC (which is very little) I am very excited! If you don't think this is the direction CM type games are going then you need to go back to first person shooters. The Campaign Genre is truly approaching the "Chess" Concept and that is exactly where we(?), or at least I, want to go. BattleFront has never let me down before! "...and remember this; Strength and Honor to us all!!" Derrell