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Hubert, Any thoughts on having a knockout PBEM tourney with the prize being having a free SC2 game when it comes out or something similar?

Again repeating myself! Just my two pennies worth of input. I smacked Germany and Italy by April 2, 1944. Computer on +2 experience and expert level. It seems that the computer could not form a comprehensive strategy and do armor breakthroughs. It took over most of Europe, but got beaten back down. If you form a cohesive defensive line in Russia by taking advantage of the terrain, the computer gets bogged down. Well I guess this is food for thought for SC2! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Hey Gorski! Got game yet??? By the way, the allies' score was pretty low due to all the units that it has lost #132. Now next, let me see how the computer does as allies with the same setting! Seigheil! What else can you throw against me Hubert? Hehehehe! :eek:

No it is doable if you know what you are doing. I would bet anyone that I can do this pretty much routinely anytime. Hubert knows this also on the downside of the computer AI. I used to be a military man myself. It's always a question of concentration of force and how you use it. Plain and simple.

Just my two pennies worth of input. I smacked Germany and Italy by April 2, 1944. Computer on +2 experience and expert level. It seems that the computer could not form a comprehensive strategy and do armor breakthroughs. It took over most of Europe, but got beaten back down. If you form a cohesive defensive line in Russia by taking advantage of the terrain, the computer gets bogged down. Well I guess this is food for thought for SC2! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Hey Gorski! Got game yet??? By the way, the allies' score was pretty low due to all the units that it has lost #132. Now next, let me see how the computer does as allies with the same setting! Seigheil! What else can you throw against me Hubert? Hehehehe! [ August 08, 2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: aesop ]

Great game Hubert! Kudos! What ideas are you toying with for SC2? A world map? Smaller hex size? Whole WW2? Improved editor with terrain changing capabilities? More varied units - paratroops, marines, nuclear bombs, builds for minors? Flexibility for MPPs- transfer to allies, bribes to neutral countries, espionage? Improved technology range? Blitzing ability for armor? Coordinating multiple attacks? I know your fans are eagerly awaiting for the sequel! Thanks!

YOHOOOO!!!My game came in (location near Orange County, CA). Yum-yum! Cee yah all!!!

Hubert, It's saddening to find out that there is no PBEM in the gold demo. Is this for security reasons?

Is the gold demo being released tomorrow with preodering? Hubert!!!!

Put a sock in it!

There should be no historical handicapping as you are playing this game with hindsight and you use whatever tactic or strategy in order to win! That's the purpose of this game. To exercise what if scenarios and use your wit and imagination to the fullest. :eek: If you have to squeeze every single MPP or sacrifice others, go for it. If Hubert holds a tourney for the right to be in the beta of SC2, what would you do quo vadis?

Follow-up to my post - I think there should be a gradual upscale where industrial production increases for the major countries. (to reflect how thier industries grew from 1940-45)But the game is almost ready to be shipped. A formula should have been made to reflect historical levels of MPPs produced for each site. Well, maybe for SC2. Also routing major units should reflect captured materiel/equipment with a certain amount of MPPs going to the victor - say for example- corps 5-7 MPPs, army, 10-15 MPPs, tank 14-18, HQ- 25-40 MPPs, not applicable to ships or planes though. Well I guess another thought for SC2.

There was a Germany first priority and the US focused more of its industrial production for Europe.

Of course do not abandon your initial defensive lines as you could not withdraw every single French force to Britain. Germany will crash thru within two to four turns regardless of your resistance after the fall of the lower countries. I am sure invading Denmark is always a threat to Germany and going down to Kiel. But like I mentioned earlier, if the German player knows what he is doing, this would be an exercise in futility.

Yes, but you are forgetting ships, planes, ammo, supply, etc. Any thoughts Hubert?

How accurate is the US MPP production at 1941? I don't think 180 MPPs is an accurate reflection- as the US provided vast amount of materiel to Britain and Russia. I think the US should get an initial MPP of 1500 in reserves to reflect the industrial strength of the US. I guess just edit a campaign. The way things look right now, Germany does not have to fear the US if it is a pursuing a Britain first stratagem. Also, this would make ermany more careful of trying to take out neutral nations with the US joining looming. Yes the US was not prepared for war in 1941 but gez, it had the industrial capacity that surpassed Russia during WW2. Any thoughts or corrections on this?

Talking for the allies- best to desert France and get all that you can manage to British territory- they turn into Free French forces. Transport corps from Palestine to Egypt. The Egyptian corps back to England. Air corps in the med to England. Algierian corps to Malta- French corps in Vichy to Gibraltar and Gibraltar corps back to England. Get all the French forces to British territory and you have gathered enough forces to hold back (hopefully) any invasion with my strategem mentioned in the first post. Just hope Germany commits sepuku by attacking Russia and the USA joining in. Britain has no resources to go about doing operations when facing a human opponent. I would venture attacking Norway after they launch Barbarossa as Germany would be too busy to divert forces to Norway and you would have sufficient concentration of force in the area. No more disbanding strategy as that value is being reduced considerably in the gold version. I would dare anyone to go about in trying anything else while I am holding Germany. Gorski also suggested to get forces entrenched south of Manchester and Manchester itself and keep London with a mere corps so as to avoid attritioning your air fleet. The mountain area south of manc. is a real good defensive area and a tough nut to crack. I frequently have to bypass it. By the way, also get your naval fleet from the med to England as you will need it. The two carriers can act as air fleets that defends. Once the US joins in, you would get more resources and manpower to play with. But like I said, if a human player holds Germany- just sit tight and pray that sealion does not materialize.

Well, like Hubert said- he is reducing the damage taken by naval fleets and punches given by airfleets. Lets see how this works out in the game. Historically though, without air supremacy- there would have been no d-day.

The best strategy that works out for me is to build up your airfleets and pound Britain - you can even go after the Brit navy by baiting them with corps transports. If he ignores the transport - the airfleets will kill the London defenders and your corps move in. I think even with the gold demo thia is an unstoppable strategy. (Historically, if Germany focused on the airwar in Britain and threw 3x the size of its airfleet- kiss the Brits goodbye). Germany could hold the east (Spain joins you as a bonus) and focus on killing America and then it is all the way to Moscow. This is going to be a standard strategy in the regular game when it comes out and is basically unstoppable. Don't aggravate the Ruskies too early by taking the baltics though. You can afford to take Switzerland though (3-6% change for US/USSR) I dont think the allies can afford to declare war on Italy and further delay the entry of the US or USSR in the war. It needs to hunker down and move all of its naval and air resources back home and hope for the best and pray. Sure you can take out the Italian fleet early but what's the use of it? What's more useful is to withdraw as many French forces to British territory and have them added to the Brits forces when France surrenders. And you know what? This is not even a gamey tactic but just using the principle of concentration of force. My PBEM games as the Brits and Germans with Gorski bears this out. When you have the space of a year 1940-41 to take out Britain- it's child's play when you know what you are doing. Italy even has the luxury of pounding gibraltar to link up for operation sealion. What say you tovarich? :cool:

Super Tad, Stop being malicious. You are deliberately unnerving people here who are being patient for the game. We don't appreciate your kind of humor. So, knock it off! :mad:

Thank you so much Moon. I am in your debt. Yehayy!!! I have a four day weekend this coming 4th of July holiday to conquer Europe! [ June 29, 2002, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: aesop ]

As a EU1 and 2 player - you can set the time how quickly it passes. Sorry to say but HOI will be more engrossing than SC due to its scope and complexity. I still enjoy playing SC though as you do not have to micromanage and it's pure strategy. If you are not a patient man (or woman!) - HOI will not be a game for you.

Can you folks just keep us abreast on what stage the game is in? So we don't have to constantly grovel for updates. Just have a new topic open like "updates". Is this too much too ask for? This is really frustrating. :confused:

"I refuse to battle wits as you are obviously defenseless"... the saying goes. My apologies if I have slighted anyone - but I do not have the time to shift through the humongous different posts around the forums. But this is a free county right? You are entitled to voice your opinions and concerns and the disbanding option is way too unbalancing as of present. This is what the forums are for. An exchange of ideas and information.

Hubert, The disbanding tactic in this game is too powerful and simply defeats the historical synopsis of the game. For France to disband its units to get an HQ to make its troops tougher or for the British to disband its bomber and other corps to get more airfleets - this alone would stop Germany or any PBEMing Axis player in his tracks. Then, what is the sense of this historical semblance of a game if you could use tactics like this? Was this even brought up by the betatesters??

So basically it is now in the hands of the betatesters for signoff? Come on guys and get moving! It's time to open up a can of whupass!