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Back to warfare, I think this from the drone /pantsir duel posted here some pages ago? But from the pantsir crew POV. https://t.me/CyberspecNews/32236

Yes of course! In life or death situations like this you either evolve or die. And in a lot other aspects of modern life. Let's hope that the infantryman will be banned from the battlefield or be more protected in the future at least... Still from a philosophical/lifestyle point of view I'd prefer less evolving per milsecond in general . I always have a greater time in my tent or hammoch than in high tech overpriced massive resorts destroying a forest or beach, even if I can afford them. But most people think, this is evolution..

I'm sure they will. They are already in sparse use I think in first aid in mountain rescue. Personally, I'm a little disappointed how much money and tehcnology has been invested in advanced warfare, while I see our forests here burning every year and disappearing because we are using the same old tech from the 50s to extinguish fires. Air manned assets that can't fly in strong winds , night or close to the fire. I think drone tech can help immensly here, with bigger unmanned platforms flying 24h around the clock and scrambling immediately to the first sign of fire.

I think drone swarms can prolong a war or guerilla infinitely. A few organized people will be able to hold a whole division this way. Imagine the US occupation in Iraq facing swarms of guerilla drones. I hope the anti drone technology advances soon enough though... I don't really like this nerdy way of warfare. Especially for the poor infantry that dies with no chance to fight back. A 13yr old kid from his basement, can take out a platoon of experienced battle hardened veterans. If there is a chance to become a veteran in 2023 battlefield that is... In general our world is becoming progressively nerdy. From war to movies, to AI art and music. There will be less warriors, true spiritual people, artists, musicians in the next generation, and in general less people that inspire other people. Only algorithm servants. Progress? Maybe. A more coherent collective humanity for the loss of individual quality. Ok sorry for the phllilosophical off topic.

In other news, Germans are once again conspiracing secretly against their rival allies https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1664752564930314244?s=20

Lol imagine Russia dismantling and moving the factories again beyond the Urals

Correct, but I also think the instructions not to upload any strikes are also more recent? Last one I show was that hit supposedly near the Patriot battery.

A storm shadow? I'm glad we also have the French version aka scalp in our arsenal. What makes this missile more capable to penetrate defenses than Kalibr that constantly gets shot down 99% of the times ? Apart from russian ineffectiveness and my suspicion that UA banning videos of strikes plays a role in hiding also successful hits of the Russians.

Certainly there is a lot less mystery surrounding POTUS

It's funny because according to western media Putin has been dying since Feb 2022 but Biden looks in worse shape and is more at risk with his constant falls.

I don't know how the discussion derailed towards the Allied WW2 bombings but I'm sure it was the beyond suspicion poster Haiduk that firts mentioned the analogy. I don't think he has succumbed to russian influence.

I may be a cheap sentimentalist but my father wasnt and he hated nazis with a passion, having lived the occupation first hand, organized in youth resistance, hiding radios, sharing leaflets etc.... But still considered those allied bombings a sort of crime. That tells a lot to me.

Here one could object maybe. For instance in Dresden it was known that civilians fleeing the red army from the East had found shelter in the city significantly increasing population density. Incediary bombs were used, there were reports mustangs were strafing refugees columns the next morning. It was a blood for blood collective punishment, as they knew war was soon going to be over, and such chances for a carnivorous ritual , would be zero. And it's wasn't only guilty German civilians that suffered from this type of blind bombings. My father experienced the bombing of Piraeus that had many casualties among the local Greek population for little military value. https://www.newgreektv.com/news-in-english-for-greeks/greece/item/31481-history-the-destruction-of-piraeus-by-allied-bombers-11-jan-1944 If we fail to grasp our side is also capable for producing wrong and evil, we will never be able to have an objective view even on contemporary events.

Oh yes, flattening of Dresden did so much to shorten the war. Not. The Germans had only themselves to blame for but it's so sad to walk today in those cities, see the old parts that survived and wonder how the rest would be otherwise. Berlin, Leipzig, Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne and others... At this certain moment walking through their streets I could only think "what a justified crime the Anglo-Americans committed".

This alone is a very bad outcome that contradicts the assumptions that russians are losing trust in the establishment. And from the comments I'm reading in more "civilized" war RU. forums they seem cold blooded, realist and determined about this war. And they seem to take a pride in that they are facing a NATO coalition in disguise, while still moving forward. We'll see if the coming Leopard counterattack shakes this determination. If we could convince them their lives would be better under western sphere before going to WW3 with them, it would be nice...

And to add, as I'm reading after the overnight shelling of shebekino in the Belgorod area , the russian governor says for them to be safe they must annexed Kharkov region entirely. Yes, russian nationalists will be happy to see the indifferent population to feel more threatened.

I will be able to certainly answer this in the coming months! But yours could be a good reading of different Russians mindset. Although I think a good portion of their population is already aware of the NATO involvement in the UA operations. Not sure what they are thinking of these raids. But maybe we underestimate that like all countries Russia has a large base of primitive nationalism that could trigger things and the rest of population to the wrong direction. They are still hardwired to contest any western threat like the numerous times it has happened in the past. I'm thinking this war isn't much different than 19th century and 20th century wars, it's the same imperialistic bras de fer, and Crimea in particular is a precious jewel that has seen Ukrainian troops fighting along German, French, British forces against the different versions of the russian empire.

But If there is a psychosis in their hearts and minds of average russians about the threat from their western borders, these attacks hitting home will only reinforce it. Not that Ukraine doesn't have the absolute right to do so. An eye for an eye...But do we want to fuel that psychosis more? The last thing Ukraine wants is to mobilize the more developed russian oblasts. So far Russia has been exchanging their worst (convicts, etc) for the best Ukraine has to offer (students, educated proffesionals etc) Anyway, chances are this isnt a wider bomber Harris plan but an effort to distract Russia ahead of the real offensive.

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With the unlimited ammount of material Ukraine is getting from all over the globe they can easily do this everyday if they like.

Just a reminder that not everything we certainly, firmly believe in this forum turns out right. Erdogan won the turkish elections once again.

Not very good news from Turkey, Erdogan will probably win the elections. I had the impression the dynamics were not in his favor. Do you think Russians could have played a role here... Another few years of agony in the aegean.

If the planes were on their way home the friendly fire scenario would be more plausible. But apparently they were not.

Could be a first hint, UA is trying a Stalingrad maneuver to push around the flanks of the Wagnerites in the city , knowing their are manned propably by lower quality Roma... Er russian conscripts. But I don't think it's possible for them to advance more against the artillery and aviation russian forces amassed currently in the area. They are not spread between hundreds of kms like in Kharkov in the summer. Or maybe the main south offensive starts with a bold distraction move in Bakhmut?

No tanks and no BMPs either. Even the T-14s are in the front?