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THE most "miraculous" thing about "playing"Originally posted by Philippe:I think Nato icons work best in a two-dimensional environment. The 2-D icons here look a bit like Columbia Games wooden blocks, and somehow seem out of place. I keep wanting to tip them over to see if I can start a domino effect...
With these VERY adeptly done 2D sprites,
You can get many more unit-types
Out of yer mind and -> into the game. :cool:
In my own 39WIP (... grand campaign
game, as work in progress)
I have managed to include
THIRTY-THREE (33)
Separate and distinctly functional
Military units.
From the original 19,
Not counting transports or amphib craft.
Well, some would say - that ain't
Old-school, punch-card cool 'cuz!
It makes too much cloy & clutter.
I say - no way!
An adroit example - WiF-FE
The never-bored! game has MORE
Unit types than even my modest # of 33
And it don't detract nor
Interfere with good old-fashioned
War game play, IMO.
OK, to accomplish this
Requires a certain amount
Of finesse & finagle
With particular game features
And, essentially,
Being WILLING
To change a received-perceived
Gestalt - somewhat.
Sure, you could also do such as that
With the 3D sprites,
BUT... you'd need be precociously clever
At graphic arts,
And from experience,
And finally,
In most cases - being half-satisfied
With mis-matched sprites.
After all,
Aesthetics is, oh, IMHO, a good FIFTY (50) %
Of any acutely accomplished
War-game - board, or computer.
Your sub-conscious rarely "sees"
What yer lookin' at.
THE best 2D sprites thus far
(... and some some body's gotta go
a ways further to do it enny better, IMO)
Have been done by pzgndr
For his outstanding Mod of A3R.
Alright, to my way of thinking,
THE very best aspect of SC2-WaW,
Is... that unprecedented Editor.
(... no TOAW ain't even in the same
league, more like sandlot ball
compared to the Big Show)
Learn how to use that
(... it ain't all that difficult, rather,
as with anything else unfamiliar, it's
a matter of - simply, taking
that FIRST - risking step)
And ipso trismegistus,
ANYONE could certainly open up
Whole unknown worlds - brand new
Chances for... grand adventure. :cool:
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Then,Every game true value is measuring by only one thing – gameplay lifetime.Going by that particular criterium,
Chess is the all time champeen!
And,
Hmmmm... which game TODAY most resembles
Chess?
SC 1, 2 and - could it be - 3! :cool:
Not bad.As you can see 3R is released in 1970 and we still talk about it and play it. This is enough to say about how 3R game is good.Though... the Battle of the Atlantic,
And - the Allied Strategic Bombing campaign,
Was a bit short-shrifted, nein? - vveedd?
Mostly it was a small series
Of pre-determined kleine conflicts
So to get to the REAL
Metal-to-metal
4-6 VS 4-5 deal,
The GErmans VS the Russians.
It will probably need to be Gott, vveedd,If someone today will make remake (please God or someone?) of 3R you will see for sure how this game is good.But... he or she seems to be
Mighty busy these days
Deciding which of his mortal minions
Is the MOST back-brain lunatic.
It sucked.Actually, as I mentioned above, there is old computer version in MS DOS and it is quite good.Waiting! For user input!
LOLOL!
DOS is history.
History is a lost art.
Art is taking what is COMPLEX
And making it... simple,
NOT the other way 'round.
Chess is simple for those who don't
Wish to study a LIFETIME
To learn how to play it... superbly.
So.
Now you got Strategic Command
In ALL it's various iterations,
With some more - probably?
On the drawing board.
What more?
Could you ask for?
vveedd! :cool:
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Very true, Brad, aboutMy congratulations to Hubert and all those that assisted. A job well done, which I must remind everyone is a somewhat rare commodity in this day and age.ALL of those who've - "assisted."
I'd like to take a moment
And mention one guy
Who ain't enny overt advertisement
For Himself, no, not hardly,
That's not his kind of calling-card,
In this - the day
Of the celebrity Contestant & Tester,
Who has been around since way, way back,
And that is... Dan Fenton.
Most don't know his name, but,
He has indeed - contributed immensely.
As have SC Cats like yerself,
And Waltero and Jersey John,
(... the one and only - Boardwalk Raconteur!)
And very many others
Back then and here and now - offering
Their OWN vital-valuable comments,
Ideas and suggestions. :cool:
BTW - since I very well know of your own
Long learned WW2 GS... ken & expertise,
Might I ask?
What kind of MOD might we expect
From -> you?
How about doing PTO!
(... which you've merely mentioned by now, oh,
about 6 or 17 times!
)That way, we can all realize
Some proto proofs
And too, a few new possibilities.
And,
What else (... other than amphib-landable
"beach tiles")
Might be needed?
So to fully appreciate - at least,
One unique Texas way
That high-romantic Naval War game
Could be accomplished?
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Yes, and long unloved by those of us who would like SC to actually MEAN "strategic".......Originally posted by Stalin's Organist:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Liam:
Sorry to say but the tactical aspect of SC2 is long understood,
Oddly a candidate for the best strategic level WW2 game might end up being one called "Advanced TACTICS"....now that'd be ironic
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Hmmmmm... thinking on it some more,
You CAN indeed have EACH
And every... single... individual ship,
Uniquely outfit. :cool:
You gotta sacrifice very little
In yer ordinary "game schematic," however,
But,
Since the naval units are mostly arriving
Off the production queu
(... just too expensive, save for the subs
and DD's)
You can do this without losing
ANY thing vitally vital, IMO.
In my own mod, I have done it
And it works out great.
See,
To me - that IS the main thing.
It is beyond simply - astounding!
How you can change so very many aspects
Of this X-tremely flexible game.
Said it before, will say it once more,
EVERYBODY gets to have their very own
Personalized WW2 GS game.
Should they really desire it.
And IF they aren't so inclined,
SOMEBODY will do a mod
That suits each Player... to a "T."
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On a nation by nation basis,
I mean to say.
Don't know abut you, but
It's... good enuff for me.
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Actually,SC is great for what it does but all the extra detail in SaS is making me drool (design your own ships?!).Now you can pretty much design unique
Naval units using the SC2WaW Editor.
Mighty Behemoths,
Everday average BB's,
Battle Cruisers,
Heavy Cruisers,
Light Cruisers,
DD's,
Escort Carriers,
Fast Carriers, and,
Etc, etc.
Each with their own individualized ratings.
Can be done - by - anyone. :cool:
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You do not pile second upon second,
Minute atop minute,
The diurnal hours - STACKED
Like clock-work bricks
In some - steeply-stepped stairway to Heaven,
Do you?
No stacking!
Who on this here fast-waning Planet would want?
Such a clumsy cluttered, wrought
Up wrangled tangle and bogged
Clogged kind of congestion - as that? :confused:
Click & click,
Click and click and click and - click!
Seeking for what?
One tiny?
Secretly hidden game piece?
Through endless, interminable,
Stacks & stacks
Of minutes or pixels
Or stick-figure depictions?
It's ALL... only... abstraction.
WW2 is... done been fought,
The blood and viscera spilled forth
Soaking the ground sullied insensate,
60 years done and gone and now, just
Settled dust,
In that bottomless bin of History.
Therefore,
No matter HOW you play it, or
Sing it or song it or bring it
Or essay it,
With dice,
With arcanely ordered, tandems of random
Ones & zeroes, zeroes
And ones,
Whether it be about
Hannibal riding along side-saddle
Up on a lumbering, lop-ear elephant,
Or,
In this particular instance,
The - usually - guten burgher Deutsche Volk
Convinced by - a hectoring Idiot
Inartistically screaching - hey you!
Most superior Dudes... yes you!
Can indeed be! Foolish
Stiff-limb, dumb-strutting animals!
Or any another young, someone-loving Soldier
For that matter,
Just surviving it out,
In a desert or a jungle or amid
Green-folded fields of furrow & flowers,
Ah, yea, it goes.
On and on,
Second by second,
Minute by minute,
Hour by hour,
It's all of an all,
Which War and why and when.
Nary a moment's Peace in between
The next night fraught
With daemon-begot dreams... now
AND - then... the merest of... abstraction.
Well how do ya do - lucky for us!
Hubert himself is not enny - ab-straction.
He's the real thing alright,
And has created THE best WW2 Grand Strategy,
Turn-based and Euro-earth based,
Intro-spective, intra-ultra, multi-contestable
And vast and long-lasting
SRO, stomp! the boards,
Super-califragilistic
Spec-tacular! :cool:
Well, you'll get to play for yerself - soon.
Play and play and play and play,
Minute by minute, hour
After hour, day - ah - s'gotten late?
Driving the lady the mistress
The latest mate anyway - antic & crazy!
Weeks and weeks even! and you'll - maybe - never!
See the sun or some other sorta fun, nor,
Nay, for better or for worse,
Our (... currently) un-crowded moon.
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I would surely hope so. :cool:As good as the team is now finessing the game, I am sure we can come up with some requests...It's what will make the game
Even greater than it already is, yep,
You'll soon enuff see
What I mean.
All
You lurkers and first-time players!
Get the heck - in here!
And say it straight
And right out loud,
Just what you like, and don't like.
ALL suggestions and comments
Are equally valid, IMO.
NO single person has the ONLY insight
On what makes a truly outstanding,
And long lasting, ever
Re-playable game, and
For sure, me included.
Well,
I am off on X-tended vacation, will
See you'all - next month, probably.
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To paraphrase a snatch of songOriginally posted by Konigs:Good to see many of the old guard are in agreement....
From forever young singin' - Minnesota Zimmerman:
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... the old guard is rapidly agin'
you'd better start swimmin'
or you'll sink like a stone,
for the times they are a'changin'
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LOL,
Well, some things ain't never go out of style,
Some things stay strange yet always the same,
Yep, are hand-tooled by
Dudes & fools, outta - quick-silver,
Quiet cool, and lotsa plain
Old guile,
Such like:
Well, so long as you fine tune 'at wooden wagon,
And hang C-shaped from a worked slick board, sure,
So long as you've worn them - la di da - designer tags
Clean off! Yer bleached-out baggies,
Yep, it's then
And ONLY then, you'll
Keep within reach - that Sea-enclosed beach
Of yer dreams, why,
Whatever is new wave can be rode - endlessly,
Winter into Summer into Winter
Into Spring - uh huh, should you
Believe it so, cast-away somebody
Else's - logos and reason... it's ALWAYS
A fun-in-the-sun season of... Spring!
Best, anything at'all
Can be just... that... easy. :cool:
I tell you now,
How it is
That
Old guard stretches, yawns,
Then the baby sharks come to play.
I say again,
How it is
That
Old guard shows no casual interest
In all 'em strollin' along young
Lasses & lovelies, yeah, you know,
The ones? In dis-appearing bikinis?
Old guard... knows things.
That the brand new hot-doggers gots to wait
Like, way, way past last low tide, man,
Before they can even - BEGIN... to understand.
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LOL, know JUST how you feel,But it persists me off that I have to put up with a system dumbed down to that level.Kinda how the ever-fluctuant
System named... "science,"
And/or "progress @ ANY cost"
Does dastardly things to me. :eek:
[... what DO you do, Dudes, when
logic & proportion
have fallen sloppy dead? When the White
Knights talking backwards, and
The Red Queen's - off with her head! LOL!]
Nice play on words there, BTW.
"Persists me off." :cool:
Thing is THIS:
You are immensely more likely
To -> at long last, and actually
GET that great WW2 GS game... here,
Than you are at enny a'them
Exploitive rip-off places like Matrix
Or Slithering-Snake, or who the hell
Else is out-putting junk.
So long as we don't succumb
To the temptation
To have the game MERELY or even,
MOSTLY... for the head-hunters.
New!
Game buyers ain't give a rat's whiskers
Whether the game is precisely "balanced"
For a hand-full of -> uber competers.
A billion humans in China don't
Care who gives testimonial, eh?
It NEEDS be, more, a game for ALL
Them crazed and antic Cats what plays
It out solo.
IMHO.
Modding it to be EXACTLY how they like it,
If necessary.
Lucky for us!
We got a guy who provides the sort of Editor
Where you can do - damn near - anything! :cool:
"Ultra?"
You can mimic it but, not
Perfectly duplicate it.
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IOW,
Nobody else had the 88's, nor,
Apparently,
The know-how to know how
To make do with a thing different
Than what was the original classification
Of weapon systemology.
Piddling Bofors - pfffft.
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OK,Originally posted by Liam:Glad to hear the project is getting done and that those people who understand the Mechanics of SC2 and balance are involved refining the title as well.
All youse other dirty dozen
Testers,
Plus or minus 2 to six in addition,
Whoso ain't actually understandin'
Nuthin' much about no "mechanics"
Nor none a'that there
WW2 GS game "balance,"
Can go home now!
Liam says so!
Terif and EP
Have arrived
With wild gold chariot wheels a'fire!
And have got this here conundrum thang
Finally! Straightened out,
But good! LOL!
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OK, Everybody!
Roll up yer sleeves,
RE-apply that
(... hard practised, in a mirror,
any looking glass will do)
Ham-acting Bad Cat visage
(... who! IS! The Jolly Green
Giant, IE, THE meanest!
em-effer -> in the Valley! :mad: )
Say,
How a REAL tough guy would do, oh,
Hemingway or
Cagney, VN-evading Stallone, and
Likewise as it was with
Dick Cheney
(... Jean Paul Belmondo, in that
borrowed-noir, new-wave French cinema
verite - "Breathless?)
And,
Whilst rotating the forearm,
Point to -> the bicep? And,
Grimace,
Gnash incisors,
Growl.
Eat a large red beach-towel?
LOLOLOL!
Ah,
Ain't we come a long, long, long ways
Since the cave days, uh huh,
Ain't we just!
I prefer this here comment by ev:
How does!quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by arado234:
...all is fair in war...
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...an often used euphemism often used as a cover up for the unpalatable truth it stands for: that most people throw fairness down the drain in times of war.
So, instead of comfronting the despicable nature of any war act, we kid ourselves into believing that all concepts of fairness suddenly vanished and hence we no longer have to live up to our most basic human values.
That there wry and - ironic?
Aside - go?
"As a Species, we've become smarter
But,
Ack and alas also, not much wiser."
Judging from some of the above
Large, and small muscle flexing,
Sure, 'at's about right.
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I suspect some body needs
Take out
Them inconclusive words,
Complete, or ready
(...said as -> "rdy")
OUT of this here thread-head?
Then, put 'er in the MOD Forum
Where all the others are,
And maybe say:
"Work in Progress, Whole World War!"
For instance.
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To be able to play it on something like Google Earth or Virtual Earth where the $!*% map will actually convey the true scope of WW II.Originally posted by ebitt:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What more could you ask for?
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Let's put it this way:
Deep in Russia,
You surely wouldn't "build up"
Your TAC to be a "naval bomber,"
Would you?
Why?
Pay the extra cost every time
You reinforce the "ground support unit."
If you are playing as Axis,
Well,
For Italy you'd likely "build up"
A TAC to be a "naval bomber,'
And... not necessarily upgrade
It to also be a GSU, true?
Why pay the added cost each reinforcement
If ALL you really need to do,
At that juncture of the Med
Naval Wars,
Is use your "naval bomber" to
Attack the Royal Navy.
Choices.
NOW, it's all about... choices.
Major and minor,
Macro and micro,
Involving every single facet of the game.
So many, in fact, that you simply CANNOT
Do everything,
Or purchase everything!
That you might want.
No way.
So the game has evolved to the point
Where the # of possible
Strategies AND Tactics
Is approaching... the unlimited.
EVERY game you play WILL present
New and different pleasures and problems.
What more could you ask for? :cool:
[ September 02, 2007, 05:42 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]
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Having read all that's been said,SC2 limits only look at the total number of units you have on the board. You can have huge manpower losses, and, you can keep replacing them at “low cost” without triggering the soft/hard limit penalty. As long as you do not exceed the number of unit counters on the map, a player is not penalized for inordinate manpower losses.I keep coming back to the simple,
Yet truly intractable - fact,
As mentioned above.
No matter the "abstracted" mechanisms
(... which, truly might approach the infinite)
That any one game player might assume,
Whether that be
Coerced labor contributions,
Industrial output/efficiency,
Strategic, or even tactical bombing,
Etc, and else, almost - ad infinitum,
And no matter the fluid definition
Of what a size "3" unit
Might be, IE,
It is then considered "shattered"
Or "in imagined retreat" status,
The fact is - on board,
It has an effective value of "3"
(... and as ever, modified by readiness
and morale and supply status, etc)
But, the one thing it is not - is zero
Number of soldiers.
OK, no matter all that,
And much more besides,
IF you can forever reconstitute
Your @-start units + allowable builds
At a very low cost,
THEN you don't actually, strictly have
"Force pool limits," IMO.
Well,
Maybe these aren't necessary
To have a fun, fairly historical
And emminently re-playable game?
Then again, for another player,
Perhaps... they are.
In which case,
Each individual CAN indeed "tweak"
Several editable factors
To make the force-pool loose,
Or quite constrained, as they'd prefer.
One thing is certain, however,
And that is... NO Nation,
Large, small or middling sized
Could continue to summon a never-ending
Supply of combat capable soldiers.
Theoretically,
Russia and USA had the most flexibility
Due to considerable reliance
On women in the labor force.
Even there,
Some "hard & fast" limit would surely
And FINALLY be reached, wouldn't it?
When does a perfectly satisfactory
WHAT IF?
(... IE, YOU! As supreme commander CAN
eke-out the absolute maximum from your
native and foreign laborers)
Become a possible, but highly unlikely
WHY NOT?
Have it where... anything goes?
[ September 02, 2007, 05:18 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]
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The list of contributors would beOriginally posted by SeaMonkey:And while I'm at it....Kudos to you, Blashy and Terif for the "Naval Warfare" tech change from GLR, most excellent. :cool:
Love the interaction of land and sea effects.
MUCH longer than the 3 of us,
But,
Me too!
I like how - now, the "naval bombers"
Will in fact be a separate component
Built from "scratch," well
Actually,
That and some struts and metals,
Decals, wheels and - push-pedals.
The Naval Game has always been
(... along with North Afrika)
My own favorite part of WW2.
Don't know why exactly,
Except... maybe?
The old salt of the Sea
Is coursing long along in all of us? :cool:
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My own favorite wasOriginally posted by SeaMonkey:DD, that's my favorite book! Memoriessss.....
By the way, my birth was OT and my existence is such.
"The Wind in the Willows,"
Authored by Kenneth Grahame (1908);
The poster below by Alan Bennett:
Yep,
Wore the cover clean off it.
I like that comment by C.S. Lewis
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"No book is worth reading
at the age of 10 which is not
equally worth reading
at the age of 50."
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[ August 31, 2007, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]
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How does this comment elucidateOriginally posted by Exel:What does any of this have to do with encirclement and morale in SC2? :confused:
The issue at hand? :confused:
Lighten up a little?
I have found that war-gamers
Are a competitive
And opinionated bunch.
So?
They're kinda like:
And ipso - some times will blow off
A little steam, eh?
(... I DO appreciate that you and
SeaMonkey have NEVER gone O/T yerselves, eh?
)Well,
Anyways - sooon enough you'll see
Nuthin' but!
Suggestions, comments and Mod stuff
Having to do with SC WaW!
Main thing, I've found in playing it
Is this:
So very many CHOICES
You gotta make.
You can't have it all!
Now,
The sheer # of different ways
Of executing yer S&T is truly gonna make
THIS game
RE-playable,
For years and years and years.
Decades, even.
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Well, jjr,... sometimes you gotta just flip over the furniture in order to get the job done.Should you merely do that,
Wouldn't the bottom parts
Of yer, doubtless - stick & cloth furniture,
YET be in the way
Of yer l-o-o-o-o-n-g time
NEEDED... sweeping?
Actually,
And seriously, you oughta start
Yer very own blog.
You could SWEEP away ANY sorta fog or smog,
WRT - doggone near anything!
War and peace.
Hot-rod motors leaking 40 weight grease.
The good and the bad.
What's wack and ugly too!
What's truly cool, and better
What is - phat today, but tomorrow
Gone again! Kinda low-brow fad!
You could BE... a whole world! Renowned
Legend.
Not merely!
A one to be found rending
And a'sundering some innocent
War gamers on a lonely outpost
Sorta forum! :cool:
[... as I've said before - write
that book! If Paris Hilton
can do it, having ONLY lived - what?
just the 21 years? So can you!
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Pardon, but what ACTUALLY happened is this:By the way exploiting the poor kids from the Ghetto is just propaganda:In the early stages of the war, there WERE
IN FACT,
MUCH higher casualties for the blacks
Than for the whites.
THEN -> a "critical mass" of influential
Black leaders commenced to complain
About this very FACT.
What the Pentagon/D.C Establishment
Did at that point,
Was... ORDER the field Officers
To "pull back" the blacks
(... and, concomittently, draft AND send
over the seas, FEWER of them)
And send to the front,
The whites.
There is NO doubt about this,
You can find it any historical account.
Of this I am ABSOLUTELY convinced.
It ain't no propaganda, my friend.
When I said "rich kids,"The one argument that DD puts forward that the cold statistics prove is that more of the less well off serve as opposed to the "rich" and privledged. Since the majority of the Country is not "rich" I hardly find it surprising that the "rich" serve is less numbers.I meant... upper AND middle class, ah,
IOW - anyone not below
The "poverty line."
Most of the deferments
Due to that "2S" I have mentioned.
[... curious aside: the students most
vehemently protested - then; now, there IS
no draft, what protest do you
notice on Main Street? LOL!]
Some due to "family Doctors" being
Submissive when the Mother
Would "emotively" argue that
The debilitation in question,
Say the lingering sty on the eye,
Surely was, well, debilitating.
Some due to "unholy influence"
With a Draft Board selector.
Some due to the lawyered up kid
Who could convince the Board
That they were "essential" somehow
Either,
To their "family business,"
Or, no matter how tortured
The connection... to the "war effort."
Some due to self-inflicted injury.
Some due to having sufficient "wits
About themselves,"
They could convince a Board member
That they were "gay" or
O/W hindered, IE - "depressed"
Or "psycho," and etc.
The list could be even longer,
But I believe I've made the point.
Those who COULD muster some sort
Of "excuse," did so
With alarming - even, disarming,
Alacrity.
See what I mean?
The poor kids HAD NO devises,
No sleight of hand,
No access to lawyers or doctors
Or much of anything for that matter.
What they had was a sturdy body
And, apparently,
A greater love of Country? and
Stronger obligation?
To do what was "honorable,"
Even if - accidentally so.
BTW: I have no sympathy for those
Who ran away and hid from it all, say,
To Canada or Sweden.
Nor for the suddenly "conscientiously
objecting" sort of Cowards.
You either "fight the fight" of yer Life
Whereat you LIVE, or you die
In a particular sort of way, way
Down deep in yer... insides.
The figure was ~ 80%You point out that 70% of all officers will admit they are Republican – and I ask so what? Isn’t that one of the liberties they are fighting for?When I was in (... same comparative
research study) it was... 50/50
Dems and Republicans.
Now, that kind of drastic change DOES worry... me.
NOT because it's a change toward
Republicans, but, instead,
That it is a significant change
In and of itself.
Military Officers are not elected, obviously,
And, after all, it may well be
A temporary representation.
Nonetheless, I liked it better when
It was 50/50.
"Resolutions" are one thing.I’d also point out that Congress did give approval for action in Iraq – that is a fact (Public Law 107–243 passed the Senate on 10-11-2002 by a vote of 77-23) that is often overlooked.Outright "declarations of War,"
Are an ENTIRELY different thing.
Since WW2, we have had these VERY flimsy
Rationales for... WAR.
U.N. decrees, Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,
WHATEVER that latest "escape responsibility"
THING was WRT Iraq,
Well,
I am yet going to go with the Constitution:
ONLY Congress can declare WAR.
Doesn't say, for instance,
"A piece of paper with vague scribbling on it
will satisfy."
See the difference?
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I am a kind of hyprocrite, I admit.
Notso long ago I had said:
"Time to get OVER it."
Apparently I haven't yet.
Getting closer, though.
Here's hoping I'll finally CLOSE
That chapter in the VERY short
Book of my life.
I ain't wantin' to go to my grave
STILL fretting about
That relatively small # of pages
In the Book.
Which has a beginning, and an end.
A front cover, and, yep,
A back cover as well.
[ August 30, 2007, 06:36 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]
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Well, SM, it warn't so much "logic"Well said DD, and I agree with your logic...As it was... "gut-feeling"
That a LOT is amiss these here strange
Days in late great America.
I would imagine that one's personal
"Honor Code" would dictate
Their decision whether to defend
Their neighborhood,
Their City,
Their State,
Or their Nation,
From unruly gangsters
(... "gangsters" truly being an
all-inclusive, deliberately
chosen word
).
THIS time I will use what logicTargul:I believe the majority of the men and women who join the service do it because they love there country and want to make a difference.
I am able to muster:
Hmmmm... so I am to assume
That "poor kids" LOVE their country
MORE than rich kids?
MORE than students?
MORE than athletes or celebrities?
MORE than Politician's kids?
MORE than the Politicos - themselves?
Who never serve?
Never DID serve during the quagmire times?
"Chicken-hawks" we call 'em.
And BTW, IF you should need a LIST
Of who served (... amongst the Pols)
And who did NOT,
I'd be happy to provide it.
VERY curious the # of Republicans,
As with messers Bush & Cheney,
Who... somehow found
"Other things to do."
And so - I guess?
THEY just didn't LOVE their country
QUITE as much as did - say, the OVER
Represented # of black kids
From the Ghettos?
LOL.
[ August 29, 2007, 09:24 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]
When will the thrawn campaign be ready?
in Strategic Command 2 Blitzkrieg and Weapons and Warfare
Posted
One quick question for you,
As it is a long-standing obsession-compulsion
Of mine.
How do you intend to include?
Surface Raiders! :cool:
You had mentioned this some whiles back
Mr T,
But I ain't able to find
Wherat it was, just now.
I also have a few notions about
What to do, though,
Haven't had any time to test it out.
Yep,
With your already demonstrated agility
At this mod craft,
I'd be VERY curious to hear
Your surf-raider solution.