mrcitizenkane

Patton should have rolled his tanks through East Berlin to Moscow when he had a chance after meeting the Soviets in Berlin.

http://history.vif2.ru/library/archives/stat/stat7.html [ May 07, 2002, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: mrcitizenkane ]

Yet another string of my tank is better then your tank. Lets face a few things. #1 There is no super tank that is better then the rest. #2 Even the best tank, must have a good crew with experience in fighting their enemy. Knowing your enemy is the key to any victory. The Soviets train of thought was build them fast and a lot of them to over-whelm the enemy. Which in mid to late war they did very well. The T-34 was a great tank for its time, but it had is faults. The Germans had some great tanks too and again they had there faults. I was watching a WWII documentary on TV a few months back. They had some WWII German tank crews interviews. One of them was a Tiger tank commander. He recalled knocking out 6 T-34s alone before they got their track knock off then they knock out 6 more tanks before running out of ammo. I think that's pretty good odds. T-34s where know for water leaks and electrical problems. They where one of the few diesel powered tanks in WWII, that gave them a huge advantage in power/speed but that Christy track configuration took for-ever to stop rocking to get a shot off accurately. The US abandoned the Christy track configuration do to the rocking effect. The US did not go with diesels because of the shortage of diesel engines, seemed the Navy was getting them all. The logistics of a single fuel for all vehicles made more sense at the time anyway. Sloped armor was another great thing about the T34, but mid war standards it was out gunned until they cam out with the 85. All in all a great tank! I think you can build a equal/fair battle with any year time frame in all cases. Good luck!

[ April 25, 2002, 09:18 AM: Message edited by: mrcitizenkane ]

The IDF uses a lot of US equipment, its just HIGHLY modified. Ive seen many modified 113s and M60s on the news lately as well as many US made small arms. The M1 is a great tank. The Russians have nothing that compares to the weapon systems it has. It mainly use JP-8 fuel, like most helicopters, planes in the US arsenal but is multi-fuel capable.

Did the Germans need to produce the numbers of tanks the Soviets did? Probably not, Seeing interviews with German WWII vets all saying one German Tiger could take out 12-13 T34s even being immobile before getting taken out. Soviets expected high loses and made up on it in producing mass numbers. People where expendable war material. I think Stalin's men took out more Soviet officers then the Germans. Sorry to get off the subject a bit. Just remember the Soviets Lost 22million people in WWII just fighting Germany. The Germans lost a third of that and the US rounds outs under 400k. If the Soviet war machine was better then the Germans, What happened?

Hmm Ive played CC3 for a long time and it seems the King Tigers and Jag would hold their own against the SU-152. The 152mm gun doesn't have much velocity behind it. It seemed like the SU-122 could knock one out much easier. Don't know how accurate the modeling of the Tanks are in CC3? The SU-152 would take out buildings with short work and the 12.7 machine guns are not bad either. One thing, why would the Germans have bunkers? They blitz in the beginning and ran at the end? Seems like the Soviets had the bunkers?

"Army-Waffen-SS relations hit their low during the April 1941 invasion of Yugoslavia. There were several incidents in which SS troops threatened to fire on army columns clogging the line of advance. (One SS regiment leader even positioned antitank mines directly below the front tires of the first truck in an army column, and posted a SS grenadier with strict orders to shoot any German soldier who moved the mines!) In fact the Army's GrossDeutchland division and the Waffen-SS Das Reich division were competing to be the first to capture Belgrade, the Yugoslav capital. (The SS won, thanks to the efforts of SS-Oberführer Fritz Klingenberg - who captured the city first)" From http://www.wssob.com/combat.html

"Army-Waffen-SS relations hit their low during the April 1941 invasion of Yugoslavia. There were several incidents in which SS troops threatened to fire on army columns clogging the line of advance. (One SS regiment leader even positioned antitank mines directly below the front tires of the first truck in an army column, and posted a SS grenadier with strict orders to shoot any German soldier who moved the mines!) In fact the Army's GrossDeutchland division and the Waffen-SS Das Reich division were competing to be the first to capture Belgrade, the Yugoslav capital. (The SS won, thanks to the efforts of SS-Oberführer Fritz Klingenberg - who captured the city first)" From http://www.wssob.com/combat.html

Yea, the regular German army troops shot SS too. I was watching a doc with interviews of German W.W.II vets. They said it was common late in the war. One day him and another enlisted guy was approached by SS officer and ordered to protect him, about the time their NCO approached him drew his side arm and shot him in the head. To much of a liability since the Soviets loved to get there hands on the SS!

Thats Bitmaps, not the Soviet BMP personel carriers.

Maybe it is done that way because of game play. It could be burning etc too.

I read a report on Russian Night fighting in WWII and the Soviets did not use flares very much at all. They were very short on them and also they wanted to keep night fighting as simple as possible.

Great stuff, tells us even what was considered a great tank of the time had faults! http://history.vif2.ru/library/archives/stat/stat7.html

This was translated from Russian to English, which was already done on the site. You are right, I think it was probably translated wronge. That would be a mile a second. 5700 feet per second? That's 1900 m/s. More than the high velocity 120mm of the M1A1 and the Leopard 2. I highly doubt that number.</font>