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Wow! This post sums up my feelings exactly - it's what I've always wanted to say about CM1 vs CM2 but couldn't find the words. Thank you Navigator 37 for what is, IMO, the best comment to date regarding this game. I'm a fifty year old wargamer that absolutely loved CM1, and want to love CM2, but like you can go weeks without playing it. It's work, not fun.

How come I'm not seeing any reviews for this game? I find it odd, especially since it's a sequel to one of the most highly acclaimed games of it's time. Not that I need affirmation from an "official" source to tell me that this game is pure gold, but in an age where reviews usually come on the heels of a release this one has me scratching my head. Did Battlefront not send copies to major review sites? They must have known this game was going to be a sure winner, so why not maximize it's exposure and get glowing reviews to enhance it's release? Any ideas?

The entire movie was an error - it would be easier and much more efficient to list things that were historically accurate (it would be a very short list). Having said that, why doesn't Battlefront include rolling flaming barrels of gas as an allied weapon? Maybe could be added in a patch I suppose.

+ 1 to 1 modeling of infantry. This IMHO is the biggest positive. I now care about my troops and the immersion factor is huge. + stacking of commands + relative spotting - no armor only arcs - no command lines showing whether units are under control of their HQ - no movable waypoints

Wow. When I come across a post like this it makes me think of this comic routine. It's hilarious and very timely for this particular rant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

I'm prepared to look wherever I can find answers, but for me it's a matter of efficiency. Why wade through a forum that pertains to modern warfare to discover tips and tactics that apply to WW II warfare? If the answer is that it takes a lot of work, effort and money to come up with a new sub-forum, then ok. As far as I know, that isn't the case, but maybe I'm wrong. Game mechanics wouldn't be the only thing in a tips and tactics forum.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have a Logitech gaming mouse with side buttons so will try to map camera controls to it. I know it doesn't do any good to whine about the cumbersome camera controls so will do my best to adapt. Any chance a talented mod maker could completely revamp this system so as to make it intuitive and not such a pita? How about a mini-map that one could click on to instantly move the camera to that position (I've read somewhere that there are games that exist that actually do this - lol)

Played the hell out of CM1 back in the day, along with it's expansions, and after a long hiatus I'm delving into CM2 and loving it, except I don't remember being this frustrated with the camera controls. I know it took awhile to get used to it when I first played CM1 and maybe that will happen again, but man, there has to be a more efficient way of getting around the map. My question for the more proficient players out there is: What method do you use to get around the map? Do you use hotkeys? Keyboard? Mouse only? Or a combination of all those? It's the only real hangup I have about this game (apart from the lack armor only target arcs and no more command lines to show if your units are connected to HQs). I would love to hear some tips that will make my gaming more enjoyable. Thanks!

I was amazed to discover that while playing the tutorial mission at the firing range in Devon, that there were german tank crews hiding in the woods next to the dummy practice tanks. I proceeded to shell the hell out of them

It does feel good to be back. I was so disgusted that battlefront was charging five bucks for a patch to play CM1 on windows 7 that I refused to give them a dime for shock force, but can't resist the lure of a WW 2 based sequel.

I'm wondering if the only way to get a printed manual is to pre-order the special steelbox edition? Will a printed manual come with the post-release "normal" version? Very much looking forward to this game!

Thanks for the reply Hubert. Just as an aside.... I played the original SC way back when, but life took me away from it (marriage, kids, etc). I stumbled upon the demo of your latest version, and was blown away by it. It was so much fun and reminded me why I enjoyed the original so much. I'm very much looking forward to downloading this and want to thank you for the all the hard work you've put into it.

I'd like to get both the downloadable and hard copy version of SC GC, but when I saw the $10 shipping fee I hesitated. I am wondering if it is possible to make a disc copy of the downloable version, given the DRM that comes with it. It would save me 20 bucks and I can always print out the manual.

You've got to be ****ting me. After all the money I've spent on your games you have the audacity to charge me five bucks for a patch? Stay classy guys.

It's malware as a matter of fact. Tom Chick describes it best as a "browser hijacking advertising scheme". Why a small company like this would package this with a demo is beyond me. All it will succeed in doing is driving away customers, this one included.

I get confused with this stuff as well, and it only gets worse. We now have The Chosen One as our leader, so how does that square with us as being the Great Satan? Does that make The Chosen One the devil? Or are we now The Shining City on the Hill with The Chosen One as Our Beloved Leader? It would have been so much simpler if McCain would have won.

I'm of the opinion that the root cause of the big three's problem was the quality of their product. I grew up in a "Ford family", and the thought of buying a foriegn car wasn't even considered a remote possiblity. However, several Ford cars later I got fed up with bad transmissions, faulty fuel pumps, and poor workmanship in general and finally took the plunge and in 2001 bought a VW TDI Jetta. After 135,000 trouble free miles I just wish I had done it sooner. I think a lot of americans had similiar experiences to mine and although Detroit has recognized their quality contol problem and by and large corrected it, it's too late. I just think americans wouldn't mind spending a little more to "buy american" if the car they were buying was of the same quality as a foreign made car, but they got tired of buying **** and started buying Japanese cars. Just my two cents.

Real estate agents are nothing more than used house salesman. Don't waste one second of sleep over it.

This is somewhat snarky, but after this experience I hardly think BFC listens to their former fanbase. They created and sold a game they wanted and thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, several months later the forum for their creation is dead, a sizable number of their followers (me included) are fifty bucks poorer while their creation languishes on our hard drives, and their "too bad if you don't like this game but it's becuase you don't get it" attitude instills in me a sense of schadenfreud that causes me to care less what happens with CMSF and care even less about the fortunes of BFC. They got my money and I got a broken crappy game.

My wife happily gives 10 points to the overall suckiness of the game as I had warned her before it came out that I would be spending all of my free time with it (based on my addiction to CMx1). Silly me. Because I "don't get it", I spend my time doing honey-do chores instead (more fun than CMSF). I'm in the process of preparing her for Black Shark and Spore. I just hope I'm not jinxing those games like I did this one.

Mech Brigade - still one of my all time favorite games. I got Flashpoint Germany from Matrix thinking it would be similiar, but it doesn't have the same appeal.

Well, since I "don't get it", I'd say don't waste your money, but those out there who "get it" will tell you that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Your best bet it to play the demo, see if you "get it", then make your best judgement - good luck.

Let me get this straight: A game that has been in development for 4 years gets panned, but that's OK because there hasn't been any NEW perspective in 4 weeks since it's been released? Arrogance? Denial? Who knows, but for those who enjoy this game my hat's off to you for "getting it". Battlefront, we hardly knew ya. It was fun while it lasted.

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I think gamespot nails it. I'm so disappointed - not just in the game, but for the fact that I have been waiting patiently what I thought would be a stellar game building on the best of CM1. This game is not in any way "fun" the way that CM1 was. Maybe with time it will be sorted out, but I doubt it. I wish I felt differently after playing CM1 to death, but it's just my opinion.