Treeburst155

Yes, it's true. GAGA won the scenario. I would be severely depressed right now except for one thing. He got EXTREMELY lucky. He won't win again that way....I hope. Please no...I couldn't take it. Congrats, GAGA! Now win it again. Figure out how to win every time. Treeburst155 out.

I'd LOVE to be able to recreate that one! Treeburst155 out.

Alrighty then, I now have six people losing repeatedly to the AI. Words cannot express the pleasure this brings me. Treeburst155 out.

Impudent Warwick and Wicky, Email me so I can reply with the scenario attached. Mikeman@cablelynx.com Treeburst155 out.

It's a CMAK scenario. Do you want it, Brent? Treeburst155 out.

I ran into a tough situation with a gun while playing against the AI the other day. The situation was so tough, that I decided to recreate the problem in the form of a TINY 12 turn CMAK scenario that can be played in less than 10 minutes. Here's the briefing: There is a German AT gun with a hotshot crew somewhere on the high ground to your front. You've been ordered to knock it out. You will almost certainly suffer casualties; but Total Victory is yours if the gun is put out of commission (ignore score). If you reach a point where you are SURE the gun is dead, or you run out of ammo, just surrender and check the map to see how you did. Remember, if the gun is knocked out, you won. The score means nothing. There are officers on both flanks to help spot the gun when it opens fire. You probably should not expend HE by hammering at the slopes in hopes of guessing the gun's location. You don't have much ammo to waste, and there are many nice positions for the gun. Choose the Allied side. Make sure you're using at least FULL FOW. Use the default German setup. Good Luck! NOTE: Even if the gun location is known (replay), it's not easy to knock out if you let the AI have the first shot. Doing so simulates, to a certain degree, your discovery of the gun all over again. Gun crews are in no great hurry to open fire from a position they have not yet compromised; and they don't comprehend replays. Let the enemy gun start the hostilities. The gun can be knocked out virtually every time, once you figure out how to do it. I doubt even the best of CMers could knock this gun out the first time they play the scenario, or even the second time. _________________________________________________ If you would like to try my little puzzle scenario, just email me at mikeman@cablelynx.com. I'll send it to you within 24 hours. Treeburst155 out. [ August 02, 2005, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

Hi WineCape! I was wondering if you were following this thread. Handicapping, an idea I love, would only work if it was based on PRIOR tourney performance. This way a hotshot doesn't get bit by his own great performances unless his victims from the previous tourney just happened to be assigned to his group again. Changing the subject a bit, using a more competitive curve (flatter) than was used in ROW V should create more incentive to produce AARs. The gaps between players will be much less, thus making the AAR bonus more attractive.

After working with this handicapping idea, I've come to the conclusion I don't like it. An exceptional player tends to cause lower final Nabla scores for those in his group. Any handicapping based on these lower scores comes back to bite the exceptional player who caused the low scores in the first place. Also, a computer program would have to be written to perform all the handicapping arithmetic. It's way too big of a job to do manually, not to mention the high probability of errors. Finally, the flat curve keeps a lopsided matchup (hotshot vs newbie) from having too much influence on final Nabla scores. I think assignment to groups based on prior performance is the way to go. It would take someone like Nabla to work out a good handicapping system IMO.

...been gone for a week, and the computer I was counting on at my destination burned up. The use of a fairly flat curve addresses the problem of any single scenario having too much influence on a player's final tourney score. Nabla writes at some length on this subject on his site. The problem of scoring opportunity due to scenario balance would be solved by the Axis/Allies approach spelled out earlier. We are left only with the "opponent strength" issue, which is important IMO. If I score the median for my side against a hotshot, I would like to see my performance compare favorably to someone who scores the median against a newbie. The scoring process I outlined above would accomplish this. Malakovski writes, "While there is some merit to attempting to take account of whether a player faced, on the whole, stiff or easy competition, adding more steps to the scoring and taking more and more factors into account also has the effect of making the score more artificial. Original nabla rewards consistency, and looking at the scores you can understand them in that light. My concern is that if, in addition, you try to handicap or adjust the scores based on other factors, the scores may become unintelligible because it won't be possible to see where it's coming from: consistency, big wins, handicapping? I would still be interested to see if looking at total potential score has any merit, but I strongly suspect plain old nabla, version 1, is the way to go. Right now, we have the final tourney scores before the AAR adjustment, and again after this adjustment. Similarly, we could publish final Nabla scores before and after handicapping. This would make it easier for player's to evaluate their performance in the tourney, making the scores more intelligible. Moving on to Malakovski's idea of "total potential score", I can't see how this can be incorporated into Nabla. With the Axis/Allies idea, there would be no need for this anyway. All a player's competition would play the same side in all the scenarios. "Potential score" would be the same. I'm going to begin testing various methods of handicapping. Perhaps something as simple as taking the average final tourney score of all a player's opponents and adjusting the player's final score appropriately would work. The exact adjustment method needs to be carefully worked out. I'll experiment with the ROW V results and post handicapped results here, along with the calculations used to achieve them. If handicapping does not appeal to players, I would suggest that groups be organized based on previous tourney performance. The hotshots play the hotshots, etc. with tourney newbies having their own groups as far as is possible.

Calculate the overall final Nabla scores Determine the difference in the FINAL Nabla scores for every matchup in the tourney. Adjust the scenario Nabla scores in some way yet to be determined, based on this difference. Recalculate overall Nabla scores. You would have a customized score adjustment for every game played. Every matchup has it's own modifier based on the relative overall performance of the two combatants.

This is an interesting idea Ace Pilot, and it is similar to what happens in chess. Luck due to assignment to a less experienced group would be countered to some extent, as would the bad luck of getting placed in a group of hotshots. Couple this idea with the Axis/Allies idea mentioned earlier, which counters any advantage in scoring opportunities that one side may have in the tourney as a whole. Then throw in the nice flat Nabla curve I recommend, and you just might have one wild tournament. I would want to spend quite a bit of time analyzing the Nabla Score modifier (your 10%) to be sure it had an appropriate impact on the final results. Perhaps quarters instead of thirds would be better too. For example, a guy in the bottom quarter who plays a guy in the top quarter might get 15% added to his Nabla score for that scenario (5% for every quarter above). Should the guy in the top quarter have his score reduced the same 15%? These are things that need to be carefully explored, just like I did with the parameter values. It IS a very interesting idea that deserves to be studied, and I will likely do it.

Here's the overall scores with a much flatter curve. There are some ranking changes and more ties. The race is real tight. I think this curve is too flat; but outlier results aren't much of a factor. This means opportunities for very high scores from playing the weak side of an unbalanced scenario are minimized nicely. Walpurgis_Nacht 0.75 Londoner 0.62 JonL 0.51 Flenser 0.50 Malakovski 0.49 SteveS 0.43 Platehead 0.40 dangerousdave 0.39 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.39 Lt_Bull 0.37 DawgBonz 0.37 StoneAge 0.34 Steve_McClaire 0.31 GreenHornet 0.23 stikkypixie 0.22 Panzertwat 0.22 JPS 0.22 Sivodsi 0.19 Sripe 0.17 CombinedArms 0.15 JonS 0.15 Elmar_Bijlsma 0.11 Vadr 0.10 simovitch 0.08 Sleekit 0.06 Melnibone 0.06 Nestor 0.05 kenfedoroff 0.05 Ted 0.04 Jim_Crowley 0.02 Other_Means 0.02 BigDog944 -0.01 Renaud -0.02 GreenAsJade -0.02 tabpub -0.02 Raketenpanzerbuchse -0.06 Paco_QNS -0.06 Merkin_Muffley -0.06 Frenchy -0.07 Cpt_T -0.07 Europa -0.09 mPisi -0.09 dieseltaylor -0.11 Heavy_Drop -0.11 Cuzn -0.12 Bigduke6 -0.16 jbertles -0.16 Gtimthane -0.17 The_Capt -0.18 ded -0.22 Treeburst155 -0.23 Larry_Thorne -0.23 yacinator -0.23 Andrew_Kulin -0.25 peterk -0.27 FGM_Smashing -0.29 Redwolf -0.30 flammenwerfer -0.31 sandy -0.33 BigMik1 -0.39 Mick_OZ -0.42 Artavash -0.43 JohnO -0.44 Michael_Dorosh -0.47 Foxholerob -0.49 The_Enigma -0.50 GSX -0.51 General_Colt -0.56 Sgian_Dubh -0.64 Jeff_Wilders -0.67 a1steaks -0.71 Nefarious -0.78 Scenario scores alphabetically # St_Edouard Andrew_Kulin -0.37 Artavash 0.72 BigDog944 0.31 BigMik1 -0.21 Bigduke6 -1.11 CombinedArms 0.64 Cpt_T -0.25 Cuzn 0.21 DawgBonz 0.77 Elmar_Bijlsma -0.21 Europa 0.09 FGM_Smashing -0.61 Flenser 0.21 Foxholerob -0.94 Frenchy 0.49 GSX -0.55 General_Colt -0.88 GreenAsJade 0.00 GreenHornet 0.00 Gtimthane 0.00 Heavy_Drop -0.76 JPS 0.45 Jeff_Wilders -0.69 Jim_Crowley -0.84 JohnO -1.08 JonL 0.66 JonS 0.42 Kanonier_Reichmann -0.09 Larry_Thorne -0.63 Londoner 0.71 Lt_Bull 0.17 Malakovski 0.59 Melnibone 0.72 Merkin_Muffley -0.49 Michael_Dorosh 0.51 Mick_OZ -0.17 Nefarious -1.04 Nestor 0.69 Other_Means -0.67 Paco_QNS 0.21 Panzertwat -0.69 Platehead 0.17 Raketenpanzerbuchse 0.37 Redwolf -0.88 Renaud 0.76 Sgian_Dubh -0.80 Sivodsi -0.42 Sleekit 0.54 Sripe -0.21 SteveS 0.74 Steve_McClaire 0.58 StoneAge 0.67 Ted 0.51 The_Capt -0.51 The_Enigma -0.80 Treeburst155 0.25 Vadr 0.69 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.78 a1steaks -1.13 dangerousdave -0.17 ded 0.00 dieseltaylor -0.51 flammenwerfer 0.60 jbertles -0.80 kenfedoroff 0.63 mPisi 0.77 peterk -0.31 sandy 0.64 simovitch 0.69 stikkypixie -0.45 tabpub -0.74 yacinator -0.59 # Highlanders Andrew_Kulin 0.12 Artavash -1.23 BigDog944 0.64 BigMik1 -0.96 Bigduke6 -0.72 CombinedArms 0.22 Cpt_T -0.91 Cuzn -0.35 DawgBonz 0.74 Elmar_Bijlsma 0.69 Europa -0.86 FGM_Smashing -0.53 Flenser 0.66 Foxholerob -0.61 Frenchy -0.12 GSX 0.76 General_Colt -0.96 GreenAsJade 0.27 GreenHornet 0.06 Gtimthane -0.27 Heavy_Drop 0.35 JPS 0.35 Jeff_Wilders -1.13 Jim_Crowley 0.79 JohnO -1.15 JonL 0.71 JonS 0.35 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.78 Larry_Thorne -0.22 Londoner 0.12 Lt_Bull 0.59 Malakovski 0.22 Melnibone -0.12 Merkin_Muffley -0.22 Michael_Dorosh -1.02 Mick_OZ -0.06 Nefarious -0.22 Nestor 0.35 Other_Means 0.61 Paco_QNS 0.50 Panzertwat 0.74 Platehead 0.50 Raketenpanzerbuchse -0.96 Redwolf 0.74 Renaud -0.35 Sgian_Dubh -0.80 Sivodsi 0.78 Sleekit -0.91 Sripe 0.53 SteveS 0.59 Steve_McClaire 0.22 StoneAge 0.35 Ted 0.06 The_Capt -0.50 The_Enigma -0.35 Treeburst155 -0.69 Vadr -0.06 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.73 a1steaks -0.50 dangerousdave 0.73 ded 0.67 dieseltaylor -0.61 flammenwerfer -0.50 jbertles -0.75 kenfedoroff -0.35 mPisi -0.35 peterk 0.50 sandy -0.38 simovitch -0.64 stikkypixie 0.27 tabpub 0.38 yacinator -0.27 # Moltke Andrew_Kulin -0.48 Artavash -0.48 BigDog944 0.39 BigMik1 -0.75 Bigduke6 0.79 CombinedArms -0.48 Cpt_T 0.55 Cuzn 0.13 DawgBonz -0.13 Elmar_Bijlsma 0.63 Europa 0.43 FGM_Smashing -0.63 Flenser 0.61 Foxholerob -0.91 Frenchy -0.43 GSX -0.67 General_Colt 0.48 GreenAsJade -0.87 GreenHornet 0.79 Gtimthane 0.39 Heavy_Drop -0.27 JPS 0.33 Jeff_Wilders -0.27 Jim_Crowley -0.20 JohnO -0.99 JonL -0.20 JonS 0.75 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.20 Larry_Thorne 0.58 Londoner 0.82 Lt_Bull 0.33 Malakovski 0.43 Melnibone 0.20 Merkin_Muffley 0.48 Michael_Dorosh -0.87 Mick_OZ -0.27 Nefarious -0.55 Nestor -0.67 Other_Means 0.20 Paco_QNS -0.59 Panzertwat 0.43 Platehead 0.72 Raketenpanzerbuchse 0.48 Redwolf -1.62 Renaud -0.13 Sgian_Dubh -1.19 Sivodsi 0.67 Sleekit 0.43 Sripe -0.43 SteveS -0.33 Steve_McClaire 0.13 StoneAge -0.20 Ted 0.73 The_Capt -0.43 The_Enigma -0.20 Treeburst155 -1.62 Vadr -0.39 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.82 a1steaks -0.39 dangerousdave 0.63 ded -1.23 dieseltaylor 0.27 flammenwerfer 0.61 jbertles 0.72 kenfedoroff 0.20 mPisi -0.63 peterk -0.55 sandy -0.43 simovitch 0.27 stikkypixie 0.55 tabpub 0.27 yacinator -0.33 # Meleme Andrew_Kulin 0.16 Artavash -0.46 BigDog944 -1.90 BigMik1 -0.46 Bigduke6 0.61 CombinedArms -0.16 Cpt_T 0.76 Cuzn 0.00 DawgBonz 0.37 Elmar_Bijlsma -0.63 Europa -0.71 FGM_Smashing -0.33 Flenser 0.46 Foxholerob 0.78 Frenchy 0.25 GSX -1.47 General_Colt -1.55 GreenAsJade -0.06 GreenHornet 0.06 Gtimthane -0.25 Heavy_Drop 0.37 JPS 0.82 Jeff_Wilders -0.63 Jim_Crowley 0.48 JohnO 0.46 JonL 0.61 JonS -0.37 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.43 Larry_Thorne -0.16 Londoner 0.82 Lt_Bull 0.37 Malakovski 0.53 Melnibone 0.46 Merkin_Muffley 0.00 Michael_Dorosh -0.06 Mick_OZ -1.12 Nefarious -1.72 Nestor -0.46 Other_Means -0.29 Paco_QNS 0.33 Panzertwat 0.00 Platehead 0.81 Raketenpanzerbuchse -0.25 Redwolf -0.48 Renaud 0.33 Sgian_Dubh 0.16 Sivodsi 0.00 Sleekit 0.06 Sripe 0.16 SteveS 0.66 Steve_McClaire -0.11 StoneAge 0.29 Ted -0.74 The_Capt -0.06 The_Enigma -0.37 Treeburst155 0.40 Vadr 0.78 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.83 a1steaks -1.01 dangerousdave 0.06 ded -1.17 dieseltaylor -0.37 flammenwerfer -0.53 jbertles 0.25 kenfedoroff -0.94 mPisi -0.16 peterk -0.40 sandy -0.43 simovitch 0.74 stikkypixie 0.11 tabpub 0.65 yacinator -0.33 # Wet_Triangle Andrew_Kulin -0.67 Artavash -0.70 BigDog944 0.52 BigMik1 0.41 Bigduke6 -0.35 CombinedArms 0.54 Cpt_T -0.52 Cuzn -0.59 DawgBonz 0.09 Elmar_Bijlsma 0.09 Europa 0.61 FGM_Smashing 0.66 Flenser 0.58 Foxholerob -0.77 Frenchy -0.54 GSX -0.62 General_Colt 0.14 GreenAsJade 0.54 GreenHornet 0.23 Gtimthane -0.70 Heavy_Drop -0.23 JPS -0.87 Jeff_Wilders -0.65 Jim_Crowley -0.14 JohnO 0.58 JonL 0.76 JonS -0.41 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.64 Larry_Thorne -0.72 Londoner 0.64 Lt_Bull 0.38 Malakovski 0.67 Melnibone -0.97 Merkin_Muffley -0.09 Michael_Dorosh -0.90 Mick_OZ -0.49 Nefarious -0.35 Nestor 0.35 Other_Means 0.23 Paco_QNS -0.75 Panzertwat 0.63 Platehead -0.19 Raketenpanzerbuchse 0.09 Redwolf 0.75 Renaud -0.70 Sgian_Dubh -0.59 Sivodsi -0.09 Sleekit 0.19 Sripe 0.82 SteveS 0.49 Steve_McClaire 0.72 StoneAge 0.61 Ted -0.38 The_Capt 0.60 The_Enigma -0.80 Treeburst155 0.52 Vadr -0.54 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.58 a1steaks -0.52 dangerousdave 0.73 ded 0.64 dieseltaylor 0.68 flammenwerfer -1.70 jbertles -0.23 kenfedoroff 0.69 mPisi -0.09 peterk -0.59 sandy -1.05 simovitch -0.65 stikkypixie 0.64 tabpub -0.70 yacinator 0.35 [ June 16, 2005, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

Herr Carrot, If I could remember how to use the formula with my scientific calculator, I could help you; but, I can't for the life of me figure it out. Nabla helped me the first time. Malakovski, Consistent strong play is what Nabla decided should be rewarded. Huge outlier victories are considered to be the result of factors other than the winner's skill, more often than not. Great victories still get rewarded; but only to a certain extent. No single outlier result will win a tourney for you, or lose one either. Of course, my carefully considered choice of parameters for the formula reinforce the above scoring philosophy. The curve could be flattened even more for a super-competitive, very close race where 10 points over the median just about maxes your Nabla score for a scenario. Outliers would mean next to nothing. I didn't want to take it that far, simply because a brilliant performance against competent opposition can and probably does occur from time to time.

I used minslope. However, it only affects super-crummy scores compared to the median. You should have the same scores as I do from the best to about the middle of the negative scores for each scenario.

I like my idea above because players could advance to higher groups as their tourney performances improved, the long term multi-tourney goal being to get to Group 1. A player could lose in his section; but still advance to a higher group in the next tourney. This is a type of victory in itself IMO.

You're right Ace Pilot! You've explained the Group Scores perfectly. I've been a bit puzzled by them. On factoring in the overall relative performance of your opponent, how can that be done unless past tourneys are taken into consideration? You'd need a chess-like rating system I think. One way to accomplish something similar is to arrange groups by previous performance. IOW, The top six overall would form Group 1 for the next tourney, the next six would be Group 2, etc.. This would give some weaker players a better chance to win a Group. However, the top dogs will fight this idea tooth & nail. I've tried it before. [ June 16, 2005, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

Average Nabla Score of the Group What does this stat mean? Who knows, but the groups containing the top two players overall have by far the lowest Group Nabla Score. This is true even though the two highest scores are there to bring up the average. Group 1 -0.0280 Group 2 -0.0166 Group 3 -0.0133 Group 4(Walpurgis) -0.0533 Group 5 -0.0183 Group 6 -0.0033 Group 7 -0.0183 Group 8 -0.0216 Group 9 -0.0100 Group 10 -0.0016 Group 11 -0.0250 Group 12(Londoner) -0.0550

St. Edouard's Nabla Scores (Highest to Lowest) Walpurgis_Nacht 1.04 mPisi 1.04 DawgBonz 1.03 Renaud 1.01 SteveS 0.96 Melnibone 0.92 Artavash 0.92 Londoner 0.89 simovitch 0.86 Vadr 0.86 Nestor 0.86 StoneAge 0.83 Jon_L 0.82 sandy 0.78 CombinedArms 0.78 kenfedoroff 0.76 flammenwerfer 0.72 Malakovski 0.70 Steve_McClaire 0.68 Sleekit 0.63 Ted 0.58 Michael_Dorosh 0.58 Frenchy 0.56 JPS 0.50 JonS 0.47 Raketenpanzerbuchse 0.41 BigDog944 0.34 Treeburst155 0.26 Paco_QNS 0.22 Flenser 0.22 Cuzn 0.22 Platehead 0.18 Lt_Bull 0.18 Europa 0.09 ded 0.00 Gtimthane 0.00 GreenHornet 0.00 GreenAsJade 0.00 Kanonier_Reichmann -0.09 dangerousdave -0.18 Mick_OZ -0.18 Sripe -0.22 Elmar_Bijlsma -0.22 BigMik1 -0.22 Cpt_T -0.26 peterk -0.34 Andrew_Kulin -0.41 Sivodsi -0.47 stikkypixie -0.50 Merkin_Muffley -0.56 dieseltaylor -0.58 The_Capt -0.58 GSX -0.63 yacinator -0.68 FGM_Smashing -0.70 Larry_Thorne -0.72 Other_Means -0.76 Panzertwat -0.78 Jeff_Wilders -0.78 tabpub -0.82 Heavy_Drop -0.85 jbertles -0.89 The_Enigma -0.89 Sgian_Dubh -0.89 Jim_Crowley -0.93 Redwolf -0.97 General_Colt -0.97 Foxholerob -1.03 Nefarious -1.13 JohnO -1.17 Bigduke6 -1.20 a1steaks -1.22 ________________________ Highlanders JimCrowley 1.08 Sivodsi 1.05 Kanonier_Reichmann 1.04 GSX 1.00 Redwolf 0.97 Panzertwat 0.97 Dawg_Bonz 0.97 dangerousdave 0.94 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.94 Jon_L 0.91 Elmar_Bijlsma 0.87 ded 0.83 Flenser 0.80 BigDog944 0.78 Other_Means 0.73 SteveS 0.70 Lt_Bull 0.70 Sripe 0.61 peterk 0.58 Platehead 0.58 Paco_QNS 0.58 tabpub 0.42 StoneAge 0.38 Nestor 0.38 JonS 0.38 JPS 0.38 Heavy_Drop 0.38 stikkypixie 0.28 GreenAsJade 0.28 Steve_McClair 0.23 Malakovski 0.23 CombinedArms 0.23 Londoner 0.12 Andrew_Kulin 0.12 Ted 0.06 GreenHornet 0.06 Vadr -0.06 Mick_OZ -0.06 Melnibone -0.12 Frenchy -0.12 Nefarious -0.23 Merkin_Muffley -0.23 Larry_Thorne -0.23 yacinator -0.28 Gtimthane -0.28 mPisi -0.38 kenfedoroff -0.38 The_Enigma -0.38 Renaud -0.38 Cuzn -0.38 sandy -0.42 flammenwerfer -0.58 a1steaks -0.58 The_Capt -0.58 FGM_Smashing -0.61 dieseltaylor -0.70 Foxholerob -0.70 simovitch -0.73 Treeburst155 -0.78 Bigduke6 -0.81 jbertles -0.84 Sgian_Dubh -0.89 Europa -0.95 Sleekit -1.00 Cpt_T -1.00 Raketenpanzerbuchse -1.05 General_Colt -1.05 BigMik1 -1.05 Michael_Dorosh -1.11 Jeff_Wilders -1.22 JohnO -1.24 Artavash -1.32 ___________________________ Moltke Walpurgis_Nacht 1.17 Londoner 1.17 GreenHornet 1.08 Bigduke6 1.07 JonS 0.98 Ted 0.94 jbertles 0.91 Platehead 0.91 Sivodsi 0.83 dangerousdave 0.76 ElmarBijlsma 0.76 flammenwerfer 0.72 Flenser 0.72 Larry_Thorne 0.68 stikkypixie 0.64 Cpt_T 0.64 Raketenpanzerbuchse 0.54 MerkinMuffly 0.54 General_Colt 0.54 Sleekit 0.48 Panzertwat 0.48 Malakovski 0.48 Europa 0.48 Gtimthane 0.42 BigDog944 0.42 LT_Bull 0.36 JPS 0.36 tabpub 0.29 simovitch 0.29 dieseltaylor 0.29 kenfedoroff 0.21 Other_Means 0.21 Melnibone 0.21 KanonierReichmann 0.21 Steve_McClaire 0.13 Cuzn 0.13 Renaud -0.13 Dawg_Bonz -0.13 The_Enigma -0.21 StoneAge -0.21 JonL -0.21 JimCrowley -0.21 MickOZ -0.29 JeffWilders -0.29 Heavy_Drop -0.29 yacinator -0.36 SteveS -0.36 a1steaks -0.42 Vadr -0.42 sandy -0.48 The_Capt -0.48 Sripe -0.48 Frenchy -0.48 CombinedArms -0.54 Artavash -0.54 Andrew_Kulin -0.54 peterk -0.64 Nefarious -0.64 Paco_QNS -0.68 mPisi -0.72 FGM_Smashing -0.72 Nestor -0.76 GSX -0.76 BigMik1 -0.84 Michael_Dorosh -0.96 GreenAsJade -0.96 Foxholerob -1.00 JohnO -1.08 Sgian_Dubh -1.28 ded -1.32 Treeburst155 -1.71 Redwolf -1.71 ___________________________ Meleme Walpurgis_Nacht 1.20 JPS 1.18 Londoner 1.16 Platehead 1.14 Vadr 1.06 Foxholerob 1.04 Cpt_T 0.99 simovitch 0.96 SteveS 0.82 tabpub 0.80 Jon_L 0.72 Bigduke6 0.72 Malakovsi 0.61 Jim_Crowley 0.55 Melnibone 0.51 JohnO 0.51 Flenser 0.51 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.48 Treeburst155 0.44 Lt_Bull 0.40 Heavy_Drop 0.40 DawgBonz 0.40 Renaud 0.36 Paco_QNS 0.36 StoneAge 0.31 jbertles 0.27 Frenchy 0.27 Sripe 0.17 Sgian_Dubh 0.17 Andrew_kulin 0.17 stikkypixie 0.11 dangerousdave 0.06 Sleekit 0.06 GreenHornet 0.06 Sivodsi 0.00 Panzertwat 0.00 Merkin_Muffley 0.00 Cuzn 0.00 The_Capt -0.06 Michael_Dorosh -0.06 GreenAsJade -0.06 Steve_McClaire -0.11 mPisi -0.17 Larry_Thorne -0.17 CombinedArms -0.17 Raketenpanzerbuchse -0.27 Gtimthane -0.27 Other_Means -0.31 yacinator -0.36 FGM_Smashing -0.36 dieseltaylor -0.40 The_Enigma -0.40 JonS -0.40 peterk -0.44 sandy -0.48 Nestor -0.51 BigMik1 -0.51 Artavash -0.51 Redwolf -0.55 flammenwerfer -0.61 Jeff_Wilders -0.72 Elmar_Bijlsma -0.72 Europa -0.80 Ted -0.83 kenfedoroff -1.03 a1steaks -1.10 Mick_OZ -1.21 ded -1.26 GSX -1.56 General_Colt -1.63 Nefarious -1.81 BigDog944 -1.99 __________________________ Wet Triangle Sripe 1.18 JonL 1.01 Redwolf 0.97 dangerousdave 0.93 Steve_McClaire 0.92 kenfedoroff 0.86 dieseltaylor 0.84 Malakovski 0.82 FGM_Smashing 0.80 stikkypixie 0.78 ded 0.78 Londoner 0.78 Kanonier_Reichmann 0.78 Panzertwat 0.76 StoneAge 0.73 Europa 0.73 The_Capt 0.71 Walpurgis_Nacht 0.68 JohnO 0.68 Flenser 0.68 GreenAsJade 0.63 CombinedArms 0.63 Treeburst155 0.60 BigDog944 0.60 SteveS 0.56 BigMik1 0.46 Lt_Bull 0.42 yacinator 0.38 Nestor 0.38 Other_Means 0.24 GreenHornet 0.24 Sleekit 0.19 General_Colt 0.14 Raketenpanzerbuchse 0.09 ElmarBijlsma 0.09 DawgBonz 0.09 mPisi -0.09 Sivodsi -0.09 MerkinMuffley -0.09 Jim_Crowley -0.14 Platehead -0.19 jbertles -0.24 HeavyDrop -0.24 Nefarious -0.38 Bigduke6 -0.38 Ted -0.42 JonS -0.46 Mick_OZ -0.56 a1steaks -0.60 Cpt_T -0.60 Vadr -0.63 Frenchy -0.63 peterk -0.68 Sgian_Dubh -0.68 Cuzn -0.68 GSX -0.71 simovitch -0.73 JeffWilders -0.73 Andrew_Kulin -0.76 tabpub -0.79 Renaud -0.79 Gtimthane -0.79 Artavash -0.79 Larry_Thorne -0.81 Paco_QNS -0.84 Foxholerob -0.86 The_Enigma -0.89 JPS -0.96 Michael_Dorosh -0.99 Melnibone -1.06 sandy -1.14 flammenwerfer -1.79

Some points of interest to me: 1) DangerousDave had the highest 2nd place score, ranking 8th overall. 2) Michael Dorosh actually beat eight people. 3) GreenHornet and Panzertwat were the lowest scoring group winners with 0.29 each. 4) The closest 1st/2nd race was Group 11 with Platehead and DangerousDave 5) There were two ranking changes in Group 4 where Walpurgis had huge victories from the weak side. 6) Lt Bull and Kanonier Reichmann are worthy of an Honorable Mention. Both were 2nd place finishers with very high scores. Only Dangerousdave finished 2nd with a higher score. [ June 16, 2005, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

OK, I'm posting the tourney results as calculated by the original Nabla DOS program using the parameters I recommended in late 2002, and spelled out in the Nabla Manual. These Nabla scores are not the official scores for the tourney just run, and never will be. In fact, it is entirely possible that I have made mistakes with the input file. If you slip down a slot from the official results, keep that in mind. Group 1 Steve_McClaire 0.37 *** JPS 0.29 stikkypixie 0.26 Renaud 0.01 yacinator -0.26 Nefarious -0.84 Group 2 GreenHornet 0.29 *** Vadr 0.16 GreenAsJade -0.02 jbertles -0.16 Gtimthane -0.18 ded -0.19 Group 3 Flenser 0.59 *** Elmar_Bijlsma 0.15 Nestor 0.07 mPisi -0.06 Bigduke6 -0.12 Sgian_Dubh -0.71 Group 4 Walpurgis_Nacht 1.01 *** BigDog944 0.03 Cpt_T -0.04 Treeburst155 -0.24 peterk -0.30 a1steaks -0.78 Group 5 JonL 0.65 *** Kanonier_Reichmann 0.48 tabpub -0.02 Europa -0.09 sandy -0.35 Jeff_Wilders -0.78 Group 6 StoneAge 0.41 *** simovitch 0.13 kenfedoroff 0.09 Other_Means 0.02 Heavy_Drop -0.12 The_Enigma -0.55 Group 7 DawgBonz 0.47 *** Sivodsi 0.27 JonS 0.19 Cuzn -0.14 BigMik1 -0.44 JohnO -0.46 Group 8 Malakovski 0.57 *** Sripe 0.25 Paco_QNS -0.07 Larry_Thorne -0.25 flammenwerfer -0.31 FGM_Smashing -0.32 Group 9 SteveS 0.54 *** Lt_Bull 0.41 Ted 0.07 dieseltaylor -0.11 Mick_OZ -0.46 Foxholerob -0.51 Group 10 Panzertwat 0.29 *** CombinedArms 0.19 Raketenpanzerbuchse -0.06 Merkin_Muffley -0.07 Frenchy -0.08 Andrew_Kulin -0.28 Group 11 Platehead 0.52 *** dangerousdave 0.50 Sleekit 0.07 The_Capt -0.20 Michael_Dorosh -0.51 GSX -0.53 Group 12 Londoner 0.82 *** Melnibone 0.09 Jim_Crowley 0.07 Redwolf -0.26 Artavash -0.45 General_Colt -0.60 _________________________ Overall Rankings 1) Walpurgis_Nacht 1.01 2) Londoner 0.82 3) JonL 0.65 4) Flenser 0.59 5) Malakovski 0.57 6) SteveS 0.54 7) Platehead 0.52 8) dangerousdave 0.50 9) Kanonier_Reichmann 0.48 10) DawgBonz 0.47 11) Lt_Bull 0.41 11) StoneAge 0.41 13) Steve_McClaire 0.37 14) JPS 0.29 14) GreenHornet 0.29 14) Panzertwat 0.29 17) Sivodsi 0.27 18) stikkypixie 0.26 19) Sripe 0.25 20) JonS 0.19 20) CombinedArms 0.19 22) Vadr 0.16 23) Elmar_Bijlsma 0.15 24) simovitch 0.13 25) Melnibone 0.09 25) kenfedoroff 0.09 27) Sleekit 0.07 27) Jim_Crowley 0.07 27) Nestor 0.07 27) Ted 0.07 31) BigDog944 0.03 32) Other_Means 0.02 33) Renaud 0.01 34) tabpub -0.02 34) GreenAsJade -0.02 36) Cpt_T -0.04 37) Raketenpanzerbuchse -0.06 37) mPisi -0.06 39) Merkin_Muffley -0.07 39) Paco_QNS -0.07 41) Frenchy -0.08 42) Europa -0.09 43) dieseltaylor -0.11 44) Bigduke6 -0.12 44) Heavy_Drop -0.12 46) Cuzn -0.14 47) jbertles -0.16 48) Gtimthane -0.18 49) ded -0.19 50) The_Capt -0.20 51) Treeburst155 -0.24 52) Larry_Thorne -0.25 53) Redwolf -0.26 53) yacinator -0.26 55) Andrew_Kulin -0.28 56) peterk -0.30 57) flammenwerfer -0.31 58) FGM_Smashing -0.32 59) sandy -0.35 60) BigMik1 -0.44 61) Artavash -0.45 62) JohnO -0.46 62) Mick_OZ -0.46 64) Michael_Dorosh -0.51 64) Foxholerob -0.51 66) GSX -0.53 67) The_Enigma -0.55 68) General_Colt -0.60 69) Sgian_Dubh -0.71 70) Jeff_Wilders -0.75 71) a1steaks -0.78 72) Nefarious -0.84

Malakovski, It's a plain text file generated by the Nabla DOS program, and I have no Excel. Had there been any instances where 1st and 2nd place were very close, there could have been a change in a group winner. I did have a handful of ranking changes. I'm just dying to post the results because there are only a few ranking changes in non-winning positions. Surely, people can take this in stride. No? Once posted, we can all analyze and evaluate performances together. This to me can be great fun. Treeburst155 out.

Malakovski and Sripe Final Nabla Scores Recalculated with Nabla DOS program: Malakovski 0.57 Sripe 0.25 For a reference point, Walpurgis Nacht had the tourney high Nabla score with 1.01. The low tourney score was -0.84 [ June 16, 2005, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

dieseltaylor, You're still 4th in your group; but your final tourney score improved. The thing about this recalculation is that the Nabla scores seem to better represent peoples' performances relative to others. The Nabla scores make more sense when you study players' raw scores.

I've managed to put together the huge input file for the original Nabla DOS program. I've run the entire tourney through the program. No group winners changed! There were only a handful of ranking changes below the winners. However, the final Nabla scores correlate much better with actual tourney performances IMO. I can post the results if the handful of non-winners who dropped a notch can take the pain gracefully.

Yes, very thoughtful, articulate posting above by GaJ.