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thanks for the fascinating response. Actually my knowledge of Tianeman Sq is barebones at best - I only know the extreme basics. I didnt know some PLA units refused, I wasnt even aware there was a backlash internally in the party. If you could elaborate? Look people in America make the exact. same. argument. They say 'dude if the govt did x the military isnt going to do y, or the cops I see every day are gonna side with the people' And some would. Thats what causes civil wars. The problem though is with tech like now, and large powerful countries like america or china your neighbors or the BaoAn you know wont be doing any shooting. Indeed theyll be shot as well, or at least heavily questioned in the aftermath of how they allowed such a thing to happen. My take on it is if there was a large insurrection in America the government wouldnt be stupid enough to send local Natl Guard in - theyd send in regular federal troops. You think some farmboys from AL are going to be as hesitant to shoot some militia in Oregon? Or going to China, all those police - thats all fine. But at Tianemen it wasnt the police that were the issue - what stands out in my mind is the tank footage. The PLA was doing the machine gunning. In that situation it wouldnt matter if you knew your local law enforcement as they wouldnt be called upon, or if they were wouldnt be callled upon to do the actual shooting. Thats my assumption. I have seen how the Chinese use their phones / ids for almost everything now. Again its interesting to note our divergent POVs. it does sound very slick modern and interesting. A little nugget about me - Im an ex criminal/heroin addict. Im insanely mistrustful of any authority and government and police. So to me while 'nifty' I also see ENDLESS potential for the CCP to monitor EVERYTHING its citizens want to do. And whilst they may not enforce many laws, the laws are still there right? This is a trick cops in the US /the US govt uses too. We simply dont get rid of laws. its still illegal for women to have sex on top in MA (religion thing) now the sex thing is just silly but the other laws? ITs a way of burying someone for crimes they dont even know exist if theyre bothersome. Indeed its probably good in an authoritarian/police state to have several laws that are on the books but largely unenforced and ignored. Because then you can arrest anyone at anytime really and its actually a lawful arrest too! On the students and being shot - well I could say the same if it were the 40s and we were discussing the USSR. They didnt shoot everyone they took in the night. It doesnt change they shot A LOT OF PEOPLE. And it doesnt change the fact they had a joke that you either got 10 years, 25, or shot. So yes, maybe they wont be shot. Of course since they're just.. gone.. how would anyone know? And dont even get me started on the Uighar situation. the Anti Japanese stuff is almost comical. Ive seen clips from Chinese action films where a soldier does a flip kick on a grenade and takes out a Japanese zero with it. (seriously) VICE news did an interesting piece on it a few years ago. They even have the same like 10 actors as Japanese in all their films, and theyre told to act as rapacious and stereotypical as possible. and of course they have their anti japan museums that foreigners arent allowed in. No offense to bring your wife up again, but since you mentioned her laughing at the idea of protestors being shot. I wasnt describing some small protest. I was talking about like HK or Tianemen once the tear gas starts getting shot. Even in America dozens end up dead in those situations. But seriously, am I really off the mark so much as to spark out right laughter? Or is she also biased? I mean, to play devils advocate, if I learned to say in Mandarin Mao Zedong was a bastard and started shouting it with a megaphone do you really think Id only be punished with disturbing the peace? Or say if I was Chinese and started posting pictures of Tianemen on their internet - how long do you think Id be in circulation? Seriously now. I mean I have zero doubt the US federal government would kill people in any insurrection as theyre now traitors and treasonous - I highly doubt the PLA would be more restrained. AHH ! how interesting! Ive been answering and scrolling up to read and I got to your video which did EXACTLY what I was describing but in a more insidious fashion! That is, not sideline local LEO but just insert military or police from 5000 km away.

oh your phones been snitching on you I laugh at dark web types who sneer tor browsers are unbreakable by the government. I mean sure. the US Navy made a program and didnt leave a backdoor. riight. also that snazzy facial recognition software or fingerprint unlock? The police cant force a numeric or writtten password out of you but they can hold your phone to your face and unlock it or place it against your handcuffed hands to unlock and now theyre in. this is also on top of it automatically pinging towers on the regular which is another way it tracks location. so if you go within the realm of government they dont even need apps. but yes sadly our informations been - illegally I suspect - sold and traded around endlessly by the mega software companies

Venezuela, Iran, North Korea..

No. I have never been to Asia, only Europe and here in America. Im glad I amused your Chinese wife. I wasnt joking or trying to be offensive. Frankly the US government would do the same to an serious enough uprising. But seriously, do you really doubt if there were HK like protests on the mainland there wouldnt have been a draconian response with many dead? And who would do the killing? I seem to recall the military gunning down people in Tianemen Square - but perhaps your wife doesnt even know it happened because of the Chinese government. All I know is what I read and hear from my position here in the west. However living in Boston and working as a cleaner I clean a lot of buildings with college students and have met many Chinese students. They are all proud to be Chinese but the ones from HK that I got to know confided they despised the 'mainlanders' etc and the 3 I got to know more than passively ( one from hong kong 2 from elsewhere) all said they only desired to go back because there family was there. They said their society felt stifling now theyd lived in the west. If youre reading into my post like its a 'punch back' youre wrong - its just a basic response to your post and so you basically can tell your chinese friends that most of us dont really care or think about china besides passing thoughts much like how you guys probably think of us. frankly most of us dont care or wonder whether the chinese are yearning to rise up or crawl down at all frankly. the saying 'whats that got to do with the price of tea in china?' doesnt exist for nothing on the other side of the planet. But no one I think whose intelligent in the west thinks the Chinese are an oppressed, stifled people. we know they are proud, etc etc. I think we look at them more with a sort of sadness, knowing they will never truly be our friends and feeling we fundamentally view the same issues differently and in toxic ways at times. Much like any one thinking theres any movement in N Korea to seriously overthrow the regime from within is kidding themselves. The North Koreans dont even know wtf is going on outside north korea, and are simply trying to survive. I know its not half as desperate in china, but I fundamentally distrust how much factual information an average chinese citizen whose only lived in China has access to about all world events and history. I will say that. Otherwise I could care less about the entire issue. Im sure there'll be a war with them some day but I hope not. I wont be alive anyways. Im glad you found a cool new place and culture to live and exist in and wish you the best - I couldnt do it. I dont like asian women (not curvy enough )or culture enough to do live in it.

speaking of racism against asians and stuff.... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43081218 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2133558/racist-chinese-spring-festival-gala-tv-show-causes-consternation https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/15/chinas-racism-is-wrecking-its-success-in-africa/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/china-fails-to-stop-racism-against-africans-over-covid-19 https://abcnews.go.com/International/foreigners-black-people-unwelcome-parts-china-amid-covid/story?id=70182204 but its just against blacks you say.. and oh no here comes Mr Whataboutism! "Yes! It is I! Sirwhataboutery! What about American racism! you hypocrite! you just hate chinese people!" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-japan-specialreport/special-report-why-chinas-film-makers-love-to-hate-japan-idUSBRE94O0CJ20130525 https://shanghaiist.com/2013/03/08/review_of_beijings_most_racist_restaurant/ https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/asia/china-japan-kimono-intl/index.html --- every side does ridiculous stuff. the Chinese government if nothing else is no victim though its citizenry is. Thats kinda the problem since they all know theyll disappear if they dont say positive stuff and you cannot put anti government stuff out there. And sure we know there isnt going to be any revolution of students there.. because we and the students know theyd be gunned down by the PLA. Look at trump in the us. you say theres no doubt theres support for the CCP but of course noone knows how much. One definitely can say theres support in America for trump. I can also tell you his supporters are a minority, just a very loud one. Id also add hes probably one of the most hated presidents ever by far. Yet by your logic since some Americans support him America loves trump.

Im on quora alot. I noticed when I debate people if they cant debate without getting personal and have no good argument they almost always run to insults or ad hominem attacks. its almost always a surefire sign your opponents got nothing. As you you noted youre already fighting a losing battle on that. What did people alert you the chinese seemed to be up to 20 years ago though? I missed that. What I think is alarming and shocking and most Americans seem to not care is most of our media is now censored by the chinese communist party! Look at the game contest where a winner held a #free HK thing up. blizzard took his winnings and banned him for life! because chinese pressure. In top gun 1 maverick has a taiwan cruise patch. The patch has been erased in top gun 2. The reason it made no sense in Red Dawn 2 that N Korea had occupied the US was because it didnt. it was supposed to be china but they flipped out and wouldnt show it in china, so we changed it because we want money. our own greed is slowly letting a avowed adversary into our abode, and telling us what to do

too bad the POTUS cant rage quit and stop answering emails and make a new battlefront.com acct

dude plz.. chill youre talking to a good friend of mine. and believe me he got his back in the day. you have no idea

no I didnt mean someone pro 2nd amendment. you know exactly the type. the ones saying walmart garden centers are fema holding cells made for when they take ARS the types who formed militias, post online they hope for a civil war, helped the oregon gop evade arrest.. same extremeists with other groups and yes antifa et al make the left look bad BUT trump will refuse to disavow white supremacists. the left WILL disavow antifa

how is naming those groups a denigrating label? I didnt say that was all that comprised the GOP. however every group mention is pro trump and in say david dukes case trump refused to disavow his support. second no, its more like a third of the US. Trump very well may win in November, it doesnt change its a biarre coalition of single issue voters that normally would hate eachother.

patriotism is used heavily as well. also tds( trump derangement syndrome) is used to describe anyone whose vitriolic against trump and implies the persons deranged because they dont like trump. ironically the right adopted the term after it being used to describe the personality cult vibe around trump a few years ago. the right here invented the term snowflake though and uses it much how someone would in like a combo of sjw/wuss. except its use is usually a give away as to the persons leanings. patriotism has been continually used to try to shield trumps comments, criminal leanings, everything. I cant emphasize enough, to understand a movement you have to understand the followers. we all like ww2, yet theres a taboo ( and I get it here and elsewhere) , about discussing politics because its gotten so hateful here its considered almost unpolite. The problem is if we ignore the elephant in the room sometimes we dont understand something. if we didnt discuss the average german in ww2 we wouldnt get the nazis or hitler. And understanding trump is understanding this bizarre coalition hes cobbled together of people who probaby literally pray for the deaths of other members who vote like them and are just there for single issues. Its got to be the strangest coalition in political history - david duke kkk head, neo nazis, 4chan, qanon, proud boys, 2nd amendment types, the gop, tea partiers, racists, anti abortionists, anti immigrationists, some big industry and some foreign parties and you have the trump goulash, which personally makes me ill. sorry sburke, I know you didnt want me to go back to this but holiens post made me unable to resist.

Oh when I mean the term snowflake Im talking about this aggressive political movement in the US that was printing shirts that said things like F your feelings trump - pence etc but play the ultimate victim on almost every subject and all trump does is act aggrieved and harmed unless hes constantly feted and praised. look at his reaction to a reporter calling him on his video 'tribute' to himself that he claimed was for 'all the american heroes' it was really just the gop self fellating itself and the journalist rightly called trump on it who harrumphed. my point is this guy who will say 'oh why would you ask such a nasty question' when a reporter asks him about his failings, has no problem with people shouting 'shoot them!'' in response to his question about what should be done with illegals (he laughed actually, pensacola rally) and Ive noted his supporters do the same. They all hate hand outs, but I bet theyre all glad to receive the stimulus check eh? As far as the debate and saying its un american to quarantine those people are just damned fools. that had no reflection on my mention of the term snowflake and whatnot. The people protesting or not able to self quarantine are being incredibly selfish and essentially un american. The thing is of course, I consider many of trumps moves and actions inherently anti american and thereby his supporters as well. but enough about that.

You know theres literal records of Socrates bitching about the younger generation. every goddamn generation does it. and guess what? every generation has stood up. name a US generation that hasnt yet. Im sick to death of this continual (and always seemingly from GOP boomer types) snow flake talk when their demigod is the biggest snowflake of all time

JK youre a serial killer arent you?

oh I looked into it. I didnt feel like even doing the work you did of explaining, as far as Im concerned any evidence from kettler about current events THAT USES THE FCKN WAY BACK MACHINE...

this is total BS.. if it was true you wouldnt be hearing 'news' on the way back machine. John just because its on the internet doesnt mean its true. Yes I know about the 21 cell phone accounts. That doesnt mean 21 dead by the most eextreme metric, the cell phones dropped were favored by the poorest and migrants and college kids and had to be 'recharged' -they would have went offline in a lockdown in Hubei Prov anyway.

Erwin bernie would never have beem elected. Theres tape of him buying in wholeheartedly.to soviet propagamda in a USSR visit in 87. Thatd be devastating. Trump was supposedly planning to make his election fight socialism "whether or not the drms were socialist" Bernie would habe beem the perfect bogeyman

Im buying this. Isnt it beautiful? Il2 is gonna get a good workout https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?293593-Luftwaffe-joystick-Knuppelgriff-KG-13-repro-WWII

LMAO Kettler - our own Alex Jones. Ffs what a scary thought can you imagine a kettler podcast?!

'hanging off daddys coattails..' you just perfectly described trump corrupt family? trump. at least biden probably would have the class to not openly force their security clearance and force install them in WH positions. I agree Biden sucks. terrible candidate. The problem is trump is downright dangerous to america in my opinion. And not in the benign way biden may be, like dementia. Trump I really can see setting the stage for the GOP refusing to step down. Theres a lot of theories on this that sound kettlerian but hear me out a little - I havent made my mind up either any idiot can see the GOP is being bred out of existence. They wont have a platform or voters in 30 years. Unless.... Gerrymandering, and other things, and then if they get total control, and after perhaps changing LOTS of judges and rules, simply refusing to leave power, or demanding some new government structure 'to protect their voters' or somesuch Look at what theyre doing now before I get shouted down for dramatics. Like many people who lack empathy I believe trump gauges other peoples reactions. trial balloons. They like it he does it. horrified 'heyyy just joking!' he keeps 'joking' about extra terms. he also keeps 'joking' about his love for dictatorships over our allies and LOTS of other stuff youd have never stopped hearing about but he sets a new fire everyday. So what are they doing? Well already shutting the fed govt down over politics. Already gerrymandering and voter suppression.. Denying russian help and outright asking china to do the same. Helsinki. The Nork stuff. The unprecedented actions of the gop in the 8 years of obama culminating in the criminal actions of depriving Garland his SCOTUS seat. McConnel when asked a year ago what the GOP would do in the exact same position roles reversed smiled and said 'we would fill it in a heartbeat'. The whole 'let us in' charade by gop congressmen complaining about 'secret hearings'? those secret hearings were framework put in place BY the GOP during the benghazi era. Also half the congressmen were allowed in! and hadnt been attending the hearings anyways! BTW does ANYONE have a SINGLE time trump took responsibility FOR ANYTHING? AT ALL? Because I clearly remember HRC after all being said and done about benghazi and it being painfully clear she didnt deny forces and there were none around still said 'its my responsibility. I was head of the DoD and the buck stopped with me.' Thats a million more percent of leadership than djt ever had. on HRC - shes not super likeable and not my favorite. That said she did 11 hours of congressional testimony. djt wasnt even trusted to be interviewed privately without perjuring himself! this is our POTUS!! I dont get the gop obsession with hillary btw. Its bizarre. 30 years of a microscope and they got bill getting a bj. thats about it. I doubt djt would stand to true scrutiny of the last 4 years let alone last 30.

those dont look too light to me.

look just be glad I didnt take the Cicero litigation "yes your honor, but may I remind the jury this mans wife is a slut!" judge: 'lol your right case closed.'

just dont allow yourself to be taken in by so many others - the other parties head guy is another sleazy corporate limousine fat cat. hes just from Queens. He isnt one of you. He isnt one of us. Unless you were born rich and your father 'only' loaned you a few million (actually turned out to be a lie and he got a lot more) he is the establishment. he isnt gonna take it on or shake it up. if he gets reelected oh well, Ill laugh and watch his supporters to crazy contortions verbally to explain his failures are the medias fault. "he tells it like it is" until he says the wrong thing. then its fake n00z or a deep fake or a media plot. anyways sorry for bringing up politics everyone. I think tomorrow ill take advantage of the lack of crowds and go look at Logan airport, and picture our brave militias storming the flight lines, shooting the Red Coats and seizing the airfields for our freedom, like our courageous GOP president said.

I dont know man, ive seen it from multiple angles. even if HRC is lying (she said she could actually feel his breath on her neck) why was he following her around from behind like that anyways? theres no way to explain it except for what it was, an instinctive almost stalking movement meant to intimidate a woman of much smaller stature. thats my take and it was pretty clear to me.