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Note the volume of fire. This is what I meant by as much violence as possible. Though its more efdective in real life - psych stuff is stronger, noises have more real effects on and on, for a less experienced player the sheer deluge of fire could be enough to overwhelm or demoralize such a player who in turn could make poor choices. Now imagine if Id done it right and had a DsHK actually firing, a couple of RPG29 teams that mever got used using their thermobaric rounds, and a SPG further away that perhaps if not get all its ammo off more than one single round! I was pretty rusty these first pbems and made some old rookie mistakes - this isnt to denigrate Lethaface hes definitely a better player than me. Tbh most are. Special mentions also goto GazNZ, slysniper, IanL is am excellent player. i never played Bil H or some other famous guys. Mkjerner and Nidan1 are excellent players as well... Obviously. In fact Ive met very few poor players most the players I considered poor was bc gameyness or what I consider less than honest gaming. If i start a QB and I immediatwly can open direct fire on my enemies entire setup zone no matyer what theyll do i wont let it ride. Ill want another battle and im saying somethkng. That was my issue with one person. Another shamelessly used map edges after months of arguing with me that the avrams was so OP. that all a US player needed was to buy Abrams. He tech ically won the battle at heavy price but only by shamelessly usung rhe left map flank and then and only when reaching the rear edge pivoting and using that too. He was banned because he was someones sockpuppet anyways. I got tired of hearing it from him tho esp because I played Redfor a lot. Blue is deadly. Its reality. However BS Redfor in capable hands can beat blue and if not can consistently make blue pay more than any country since Germany in CM

Thank you!

With the vid one can see my hail of fire plan. 4 major errors you cant really see because its not from my side. Roof top placement of many units - this got them killed or lost men and took a few turns to use them My DsHK was almost wiped out amd never fired a round because it started on a roof next to stronghold. A block away on a top non balcony floor could have avoided this. My AT4 was destroyed almost immediately. Better placwment and not on a roof would have resolved this. I should have hid my triggerman MUCH better. Theres a 4 square of IEDS that would have gotten at least 2 more vehicles if he hadnt gotten killed. Im mixed on the last one but I think still I shoulda done the same with my SPG9. I had it on a roof across an intersection from the stronghold. On the plus side I mean it did get a shot off into a second story room that even with FoW I could tell caused several casualties. On the other hand the weapon was soon after wiped out. Perhaps 3 blocks away I could have been shelling the complex

Thanks lethaface you should finish out the battle - the vids do more to explain than we can. Also you may as well screenshot the end of that disgusting attack we just played. First of all I literally want to punch the map designer in the face whoever made that setup zone.letha what map was blues on? Second yes lethafave had me attack as USMC (i didnt get choic pick, in his defense I said screw reviewing the battle LEEETTS GOOO) against his Syrian AB. END RESULT? The worst defeat Ive ever had in any CM. The only other close ones are games I quit because ridiculous gameyness and I dont speak to those oppos. Oh and once I fought Fionn Kelley in CMBO at age 15 in 2000. I had Germans and bought an elite KT. It bogged and was destroyed fionn ripped me in half. However I still killed some of Fionns men. Lethaface totally devastated the unit - iirc 100 losses and he didnt lose A SINGLE PERSON. ugh.

Dont be fooled just because we have drastically different views. A proper argument backed up with proof if needed can sway my opinion. I do not have a SET world view

Ah well I derail plenty of threads so it doesnt bother me. In fact if it goes towards intellectual conversation at all and not just constant insults and people telling everyone to shutup because BFC Im very pleased For example I did not know the draft didnt actual start until the following spring.

how do you figure the Union Army was all volunteer? LOL not true. Not only did things such as pressgangs still very much exist, and not only was it common for wealthy men to pay someone else to go for them, but yes starting fall 1862 there WAS a Union draft. In fact it specifically started some MAJOR riots in NYC

Sburke even NYC was a capitol once big friggin deal. We started the revolution! We got cheesesteaks too! And nome of our fans were filmed eating horse$hit at any world series or superbowl wins dont really go down the ....vs boston itll lose

Ahh waddya know abt it old man! and really mike? We were yapping in ye olde awesome accent before anyone besides some natives and lost conquisatadores were in ole Californi

Yeah Ill run it back again lethaface are you kidding me? You seriouslt think Id decline a challenge in public? Btw im getting some vicarious revenge in pbeming artkin with him as dutch attacking my usmc

Especially when we.re talking tank riding for the Syrians. Lets forget about tanks airpower and everything else. Just javelins. Almost never miss. The way theyre fired sometimes it literally just seems someone pointed a finger at the vehicle and it goes boom. And at long range a jav team often can fire a few shots and not be spotted. So you could be waaay back from the combat still with your reserve platoon saddled up trundling along at slow and wham. Explosion (cuz its a bmp) and entire squad plus ammo on vehicle and vehicle destroyed. Even worse is when it happens 2 or 3 more times and you dont even have a ?

I remember some of JasonCs posts... If you collected all his posts from the golden days of CMBB you could write a book about war in the Eastern Front that would drastically change many peoples perception of said conflict. I miss those several page posts. I also miss codename duchess for his real world naval pilot input. Pzsaurkrautwerfer obviously. And RIP to my buddy Nidan1 another vet.

Waddya think youre clever or somethin? When are youse going to realize the New England accent is THE most American accent of them all. Its wicked pissah guy.

Exactly - write H2H stronger player should take defense IMO

Yeah I agree with you 100% mord. The 1:1 soldier thing was what changed me from meh ( I was excited playex an early demo and was horrified. Went on ahem gocernment vacation for years. I got out and.. Not a lot of money really the board was about beinf social but when I read it was up to the old standard, 1:1 and then I saw theyd done Soviet Afghanistan (!!! Really wecant have nam? I swear to god Ill kidnap and hold a game team to "volunteer" to make a CM:N like CM:A. just offering. )i immediately got thr money and was back in. And absolutely the bodies tell a story and make the battlefield look so much more realistic. Imagine the old operations where youd have previous battle damage, maybe bodies persistent for one battle after, with the old KO'D vehicles and 1:1. Ugh.. Kills me. I remember now tjinking about it I also specifically came back and checked the boards because when I left CM Campaigns was announced. I was gone more than a few years I figured it.d be onto a new game or two. God that was a soul crushing bit of news Ya CM was soo better than Combat Mission and it just used to KILL me that noone else seemed to really go nuts at thw idea of 1:1 soldier representation ( boy was I wrong, I just had no clue so many ppl wanted it ) especially since CC had it. It also made it sooo hard because Id have friends and CM WAS enough to get them - ezcept the 3 man squads. If we werent older and Id had CM2 youd have several hardcore customers. It just lost them there. Dont even get me started on trying in my childhood to get ppl to play Avalon Hill games with me and stuff. Some of the old timers here discuss playing these board games which I simply cannot imagine. I have a hard time getting 4 guys together to play whist for a couple hours let alone 2 teams to do complex math and plans and stuff. My god. Free weed and booze wouldnt even been enough.. Well theyd come but then theyd just complain until I gave up

Absolutely and if it really affected my mobility I wouldnt do it. I take it asa trade ofc in my favor for the countless things im disadvantaged by because of the inherent game system.its also not ridiculously excessive they may have a **** ton of ammo but in any case i have anyone with a squad with 4k rnds and missiles i guarantee you theyll be dead or have A LOT of that ammo off within carrying it 350m which isnt that crazy. On a regular patrol loadout? Yes. In scenarios like that or somethibg.. But if your qb or scenario has you understanding youre about to attack I dont think its unusual (and Ive read many accts of troops festooning themselves with belts of mg ammo, whether mg42 or m60, or sticking grenades all over themselves , etc. This would never be doable long distances but if youre planning to use this stuff almost for sure soon and in the next kilometer at most its not really that excessive.

Thanks George. Im trying to help, sorry you have to decipher my often times stoned posts where I talk in circles or go on strange tangents.

P.S. but read first. Mord im smokn up and just thinking and typing too much.dont think I dont appreciate the recommendation, post and response bro! Just an explanation - "Its pretty fun" Remember that age thing? I saw hexs and yeah. No. Sorry. The very last I even messed with hexes was Pz General and some oolllld games around then. Cant do it. In fact I NEVER even played CMAK because the soldier representation bothered me so much all along. It speaks volumes of CMBO and CMBBs masterpiece quality that I willingly suffered an abstraction Id never suffer for other games ( it ruined Pz Elite and countless tank games for me, flight sims, infantry is huge to me) I willingly put up with CMx1. And not only were soldiers abstracted fire power was abstrscted into units, and they didnt leave corpses except where last member fell. People thjnk corpses are just gore but no. Theyre a huge arrow sign. You may missed parts of battles except notice lotd of corpses in x2. Also seeing where most the corpses are has taught me many important lessons that only seeing a body for the last man in a squad could mislead you totally on

As I said it goes both ways. A lot would be fixed reading the menu nit years of posts, or instead of immediately quitting and posting perhaps fiddling with it first. But as I clearly said - this has to be carefully balanced; its a fine line between telling someone theyre lacking common sense and driving people away because its created an uninviting ugly atmosphere. Especially I know my generation has lots of interest in the military but sooo many are ignorant. They arent dumb, they learn, they read books I recommend. But they havent wasted the last 20 yrs like me obsessively reading about 20th century war and wargaming. They probably wont know Trophy is APS or the US doesnt actually field APS or what ERA and shaped charges are. I could easily see people like this asking not so much dumb game questions but whats cobsidered by grogs painfully obvious info about like mg42s or whatever and the ensuing answers I could easily see turning someone off military history maybe forever, but definitely CM.

As everyone said. Keyhole them and use them way further back than you.d use blue tanks. On the attack you just have to suffer losses basically. Thats when its good to sometimes lead with crappier tanks - or bring bmps up first and force the javelin ammo to get used on them. A US player can be forced into expending those missiles. Also personally for me especially in BS it seems if a MAGA supporter in America farts 2 T90s blow up. So as Redfor I *always* disembark infantry unless its such a unique situation its not worth discussing; and I load as much stuff as human possible onto the squads so its not lost when the vehicles explode. You should try to give all squads on either side IME another 1k of 5.56 or 5.45; and another 500 or 1k of 7.62. I also distribute RPG ammo ajd RPGs. For Blufor this is very important as well tbh - you REALLY should always have a good grasp on whats rare or valuable or runs out quick. So for example theres RPG29s in a vehicle? Those are awesome thats a priority to get out. A javelin or javelin missiles? Too valuable to risk. 5.56 ammo? Important but not world ending. Its similar to the German 7.92 Kurz ammo foe the Stg44. The squads dont come with a lot and its rare on vehicles. So when you get one with it you'd better snap it up - or in WW2 games I think its madness with half tracks to not get the extra schreck or zook or fausts out. Just an opinion

**speak for yourself!** Isnt that a board game though? There was an interesting first person shooter released that was online US vs VC/NVA that looked decent and fairlu realistiv got an FPS. But other than that really slim pickings; even the usual flight sims that usually at least have one Nam game havent in a long time. I just watched an old CBS broadcast from 68 on Nam. Called Hill 934. Its on youtube I recommend it. Not so much for the action, you dont see much besides constant arty prep strikes and constant airstrikes that scared the grunts a lot. And I dont blame them - the day they assault the Hill in questiom a short round causes 10 casualties. Then a 500lb bomb hits a tree and a piece of shrapnel kills a guy going home in 6 days. I was struck by the three guys profiled; JC a E6 career army NCO. He survived as of when the broadcast was made. Even as a career soldier he openly despised the war and called it a jail sentence. Another guy, dont remember his name. He almost "went over thr hill" instead of being drafted. He survives (at the end they explain that the company took unit breaking casualties a month after airing - caught im the open in a heavy mortar attack) but is so heavily wounded in the mortar attack he ended his draft service as a DI in the States. Then Jim Buckner. Besides being a military brat who lived in Germany he was drafted. He had this infectioys smile; they get ambushed he says hes scared - his dad owned a pizza shop amd he bemoans that he had "all the damned pizza in the world" when they get ambushed he.s asked where would he like to be "on a beach woth a 6 pack. Chasing girls" 22 years old. Poor guy. Jim Buckner was KIA in the same mortar attack. I wont lie at the thought of the tragedy - his father losing his oldest son;( maybe only? ) these people I see living and breathing on color film getting killed or legs blown off for what I know is a cause thats pointless and they were largely duped into. One of the guys says "well Ive seen what the communists do and I guess Id rather be fighting them here than seeing this at home.." Point is these guys still really believed they were serving a purpose. It made me tear up looking at that 22 yr old kid and realizing he was dead a month later. For nothing. * Hill 934 CBS news * very good

LOL fair nuff

P.S. ive been around forever - Im not leaving. But ALL of us regulars really need to remember that ESPECIALLY (this isnt about this thread) we should be cordial and helpful and not as snarky as we can be with new players. Generally we.re good about this. Sometimes not in another thread I even commented on it seems theres more dumb questions this release. But upon new thought we act like this to new members at our own peril. Just IMO.

Fair enough. Perhaps toned down then? We.re talking about a game thats trting to be realistic as possible. I know youre just taking the piss Combatintman but really? Im getting mocked for this but everyone was all for (rightfully) the chance for lightly wounding people shooting rocket weapons in doors? Id say it could be simulated just as easily and instead of severe losses like a squad just have them lose a guy or get some light wounds. Or is it also dumb and too minor they even have old missiles randomly failed (based on real world evidence) Maybe the guy who thought of that was an idiot. Some stuff doesnt apply and you cant equate it. Clearing mines except emergency where you can do what you.d do in CM would take place right before or after the scope of CM. Im discussing something that affects real battles. And as far as minor things do any of you remember SF1 until BN? MG bursts were like robots. 3 rnds EVERY TIME. I suggested several times they randomize bursts, 3, 8, 2, etc to make it more real. I was shocked when one patch it was in. Small detail but it makes the game feel that much more real.

Mord ill give up a testicle or kidney for CM Nam.in the mean time if someone were to mod it Id use Canadian forces as they always "felt" closest to US Vietnam forces. Theyre using generally older equipment tham other NATO including an M16 clone that looks like the classic m16. They also used LAWs alot and m113s. I think some uniform stuff or other stuff too helped the vague sense. With some graphical changes... Its the best we.ll ever see. If they wont do PTO we.re screwed on Nam