Allan

The demo seems pretty good. Sort of like an updated Clash of Steel with more options.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von Brizee: Damn, I wish I could have finished my game with Basil. I was romping him, it would have raised my score a whole lot. Popped both his tanks and had his infantry surrounded and being smashed with little loss of my own. Oh well, such is luck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah, I got screwed by him bailing out too. Oh well.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by von shrad: LETS GET IT ON! Did everybody read this I hope. We can really start anytime. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> VS, Do you have an address for Von Brizee? Allan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by :USERNAME:: Anyone read Burgetts Holland book yet?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yep. It's pretty good and reads like his other books so if you liked the first two you will like this one. Allan

Spring, Texas (just north of Houston) Allan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackhorse: I bought SL in what...1979? The rest is history.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yep, 1979 for me too. Allan

I realize you are full now butIf you need another player or an alternate, count me in. Sorry, I did not see this thread earlier. Allan

I saw these little guys at Toys-R-Us today and I must admit they look pretty cool and authentic. They had an 82nd pathfinder, a 101st paratrooper, a US tank commander and an Eastern front German soldier. If I were 30 years younger I would buy them. I wonder if I could say it was for my son.....yea that might work. Allan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simon Fox: Secondly, the bocage hedgerow terrain tile in CM represents the worst form of real life hedgerow which is impenetrable to tanks. In order to simulate bocage hedgerows of lesser density you need to use other terrain types ie hedge etc <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Simon, I see your point but I still believe the bocage should offer more spotting difficulty than it does. Secondly, my tanks plow right through the bocage terrain. I am not talking about hedgerows, I mean full blown bocage. Granted, it slows them down, but they get through it with relative ease. I just think it should be harder to spot troops hidding in them. Allan

Maybe a tweak to make it more difficult to spot units hiding in bocage....please. Allan

I will give them a look. Send them to my email address also. Allan

Header says it all. We have some questions regarding LOS in bocage. Allan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jarmo: I second this. From pictures I've seen, the undergrowth would be very thick. IMO hiding in bushes should be even more effective than hiding in woods.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Exactly! Maybe we can get BTS' thoughts on this. How about it Steve, Charles? Allan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye: Actually, IIRC, Charles said that bocage doesn't totally block LOS if you are reasonably close to it. I don't recall how far the LOS goes, but you should be able to see through it if you are just behind it. I haven't played a scenario with bocage yet, so haven't tried this personally.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Buckeye, I agree with you. But my point is I am hiding infantry IN the bocage according to German tactics outlined in Doubler's book. However, when I do that they get spotted while hiding in the bocage from over 100m in some cases. The allies come busting through the hedgerow and immediatly spot my hidden units from 100m and nail them. I think rather than hide behind the hedgerow, troops should be able to hide IN the hedge and have it be at least similar to hiding in woods for spotting purposes. Allan

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lorak: Allan, Are you hiding your guys in the hedgerows? or behind them? If your unit says it it is hedgerow/bocage, then your actualy in it. Easy to be spotted from both sides. However if your hiding behind it, it should be hard to sopt your units. Works the same as walls. If you unit says it is in/on a wall tile. They are actualy on the wall. not behind it. Lorak <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Lorak, I am hiding them IN the bocage. It is my understanding that the hedgerow/bocage is a thick tangle of trees, roots and underbrush that would conceal a soldier very well. I am trying to set up a scenario based on some actual hedgerow accounts from Doubler's book. It seems to me you do not want to hide on one side of the bocage since it blocks LOS to the other side and you are totally exposed on the near side, thus defeating the purpose of a unit being able to cover adjacent hedgerows from a concealed position. This is why the allies usually attacked two or three adjacent hedgerows at the same time in order to minimize this overlapping effect. Allan