ARCHANGEL

Kess, You actually let go of your (RB2) joystick long enough to check out CM?? I am surprised...got tired of me shooting you down in MMP all the time huh??? (lmao) Glad you are here...these guys won't beleive what you can do to a sim....

Assuming you are talking about the translation of the real world to the CM world, it would depend upon which crew member was hurt and how badly. All tankers (like all Infantrymen) are cross trained, so a wounded driver could be replaced by the loader etc. This would take a few minutes time but it all depends, obviously, on the extent of the wounds etc. I once had the opportunity to discuss tank combat with some guys who had actually been tankers in WW2 and Korea. They told me that the metallic pinging of small arms bouncing off a tank was irritating...that the explosions on the outer shell of a tank were louder and startling and caused them to try to determine the threat very quickly before another Panzerfaust or PzScherk round hit them and did real damage to the track, the tube or even penetrated the hull. Regarding CM, I too wondered when a tank crew got out of a damaged veh. and showed one wounded what the story was. In Reisburg (just the other day) I had an M4 destroyed by a Schreck at very close range...(I didnt see them!!!) and another M4 make a very rapid and hasty retrograde movement when it was hit but undamaged by a Panzerfaust. On the other hand, I have had two US bazooka's shooting (a crossfire) at one 88 and it took six shots form one and three from another before the 88 was abandoned. "Direct" hits aren't always what they appear to be. Another time I had the track hit on an M4 which immobilized it and the tube damaged on another M4 which caused me to move it out of range of AT weapons so I could use the .50 cal later (it got hit by the 88 as I moved it to"safety"...<g>) Driving failures? reduced rate of fire? yup!!! looks like it is in there...

It seems rather obvious that there was a failure to "put" together all the intell that was there...(wasnt the first time (Market Garden) and wouldn't be the last). I suggest that Ike's bigger folly was the inch for inch slugfest of retaking the bulge across its front, as opposed to attacking the narrower edges and "pinching" it off, as they tried to do in the Normandy breakout. There are a lot of original docs available on this, not to mention recent books...(past ten years).

Steve, I wasnt being literal, but thanks for the scoop. I have shot at a few real tanks in my time. Obviously, "bounced" wasnt quite the right word. <g> As long as my M4 survived...<g> Thanks Again,

I lost an M4 to one of those suckers (in Reisburg) just the other day. It was a reasonably close shot and was my only tank loss for the whole fight. I too(now) give some latitude in movement when I have "INFANTRY?" show up... OTOH, I had a PZFaust hit an M4 in the same fight and it bounced off with a loud "clang"...distance was about eighty meters...the M4 crew put it into reverse at the speed of light and backed up to a position behind the trees near the last two structures on the far right side...it was a hoot to watch how it played out...

I haven't had that exact problem, but three or four times I have had,when hitting the QUIT toggle, the screen go black with a small green "picket fence" along the top... only a shut down will make it go away. It ignores Crtl-Alt-Del totally. BUT, CM is so much fun that I ignore this...(which I guess you can't do with the problem you have...) Hell, I'd buy a new computer if I had to, just to play CM. <g>

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lanzfeld: Just a quick question..... Are both German grenades and American grenades modeled in the game? I was to believe that the German grenades were more powerful than the American ones and does CM simulate this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I can't answer your question accurately. But I was suprised and pleased as punch to see an American sqd fighting in a building in LD, actually THROW a grenade and clear the two remaining Germans with it. I didnt realize that grenades were modeled and I was quite happy to see them. However, that was the ONLY time I had seen them...and since that event (which happened last weekend) I have been watching and have yet to see a repeat. But they are there and DO work.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aacooper: Did any infantry in WW2 use body armor in WW2 (besides the helmet)? I think every personal account book of WW2 has the "bullet-stopped-by-the-bible" story happening to some person in their platoon. However, I believe the Korean War saw the re-emergence of body armor. Does anyone know how effective modern US body armor is? For example, in Desert Storm or Somalia, how many casualties did the Kevlar helmet / vest combo prevent? Are there any statistics about Vietnam? [This message has been edited by Aacooper (edited 01-13-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> As LOS stated, in Vietnam it was too hot to use often and it wasn't exactly light. It was, as he said, used to stop fragments and the like. Frequently they were used to sit on during chopper rides to LZ's...or you could sit on your helmet if you wore one. I seem to recall that at least SOME Marine units up on the DMZ used them a lot, probably by SOP as someone else stated here. My father was a bomber pilot durning WW2 (having transfered from the Infantry.) THEY wore FLAK JACKETS in the planes...I have seen them..they are HEAVY..but they seem to have been of some value...hence the name FLAK jacket or vest. If memory serves, most wounds in VN were from fragments, not bullets.(I would guess it is the same in WW2 and Korea as well) But the technology of the flak vests or body armor at the time was not even close to where it is today.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AndyRoss: Scurlock, what about Nathan Bedford Forrest? The guy had three months of education (not military) in total: assembled a corp and became, perhaps, the most successful commander of the civil war and certainly the best commander of cavalry operations. Did you know that the generals educated at West Point lost 50% of the battles in the civil war? (congrats to the first person to point out why is this a stupid and irrelevant point?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Since so very many West Pointers were in command on both sides, I would think that the simple law of averages would apply.

I just d/l'd CM yesterday and it is my first game of it's type. So if I am a tad off in catching up, please bear with me. However, in the real world of Infantry and Combined Arms operations, RECON BY FIRE can most effectively be conducted by mortars, arty and armor. These can do this from a greater distance and with more impact than a rifle squad or even a platoon in many cases. In fact, most RECON BY FIRE IS conducted with/by the heavier weapons tho .30's and .50's will suffice as well. I am still learning the demo and have yet to get it quite right, but IF RECON BY FIRE is modelled in CM, than it may be useful to employ the larger weapons to do so, if you are in a position to employ them. [This message has been edited by ARCHANGEL (edited 01-08-2000).]