SgtMuhammed

Well when you go from 1 or 2 incidents to 3 or 4 I guess you could call that a rising trend. This has to be one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard from a professional historian. Maybe we should mention the rising incidents of American soldiers killed by drunk driving as they pushed into Germany during the final months of the war.

Think of it this way. The gun knows he has the range on the first 34 but is not certain he is dead. Better to finish him and then try to deal with the other than to switch to a new target and risk the first one recovering. In battle it is usually that thing you were "sure" of that comes back to bite you. Plus you have to remember that the gun crew doesn't know what its hits are doing. The detailed hit messages are for your benefit. For the gun crew it can tell that they are hitting but for all they know they just knocked off the tool box and the TC's footlocker. [ January 26, 2003, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Sgtgoody ]

Definitly. You might want to read about Kursk to get a little background on how each side prefered to fight. Especially about Prokorovka.

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It is amazing how people rate scenarios as bad if they can't beat them. Usually the ones that kick my but are the best ones (provided there is nothing totally out of whack with them). It just makes it so much better to actually win. It also makes me remember my tactics. (This is not aimed at anyone in particular so please don't start flaming. Just sounding off that's all. )

That's the truth. I had a whole platoon get caught in a barrage by Jabos. Killed three TCs so now I have a bunch of mobile targets. :mad:

Remember the note in the manual (you remember that big book that came with the CD don't you ) that poor weather conditions will effect high powered optics more than standard. This is because they need more light to work correctly. If this fight is in a blizzard it is very possible that your Germans were partially blinded.

Hey things happen. I am sure no one meant any harm and am willing to wait for things to sort themselves out. I really appreciate all the effort that has gone into this thing so far and will help see this through any way I can. Thanks again to everyone involved. James

Then you can watch the round as it slides out of the tube and rolls down hill at the enemy.

Then again everything irritated Patton. Bill was always a hero of mine. He will be missed. I'm just sad alzheimers had taken the real Bill from us already.

Soviet tanks also have more restricted elevation. During the Yom Kippur War the Israelis were able to clobber a bunch of Egyptian T54/55s by taking positions on a ridge. The Egyptians were unable to raise their tubes enough to effectivly engage the Israelis. The main reason for the lack of vertical movement is the desire to keep their tanks small (at least in modern tanks). This is also one of the reasons the Russians use auto loaders while western tanks use a human loader. Soviet tactics promoted the practice of driving balls out to close range with the enemy (who should be suppressed with a massive arty prep) and so limit his ability to find and use favorable terrain. The fact that their own tanks were unsuited to use most terrain was not really a concern as it wasn't a major factor in their doctrine.

It would take an extreemly lucky shot to imobilize a track with an ATR. While an AP round has a chance of actually clipping the track or destroying several road wheels or what have you there is little chance that an ATR will do so.

Read the accounts of the fighting in Somolia. There are multiple reports of vehicles being penetrated by everything from small arms to RPGs yet not one crew decided to bug out even though they were in soft vehicles. Crews will tend to stay with their vehicles unless there is absolutly no other choice (there are exceptions of course) because that is the system they are trained on. At least in a HT you can still move around and have a modicum of protection, the holes are appearing in the vehicle rather than their bodies after all. Don't underestimate how absolutly terrifying it is to be on a battlefield with no means of defending yourself.

That is one good thing about the ATRs, they don't advertise themselves like other AT assets. So while it may take a number of hits to make a kill they will usually be able to survive long enough to get them.

One thing to remember is that there isn't a lot of fragmentation with an AT rifle round penetrating and HT. It is a lot like shooting a car door with a hunting rifle. You punch a nice neat hole and then the round continues inside the vehicle until it hits something. The round may get a bounce or two but it is quickly spent. The Tungsten rounds from an ATR don't have the mass to cause the type of energy transfer that will result in the armor fracturing and thus fragmenting, rather they tend to push the armor out of the way.

...his red rubber change holder (you know the kind you squeeze to open) and tried desperately to get the quarter these men were expecting. Sadly the excitement of the moment was too much and the baliffs...

The tracers on tank rounds are quite impressive as well. They look like flaming tennis balls streaking down range. For light machine guns though, tracers are the most visible from directly behind the gun. The only real benefit is to the crew and their section leader who will be spotting for them. As for the gunner Hortlund is right, you don't really notice the tracers yourself. On bigger guns, like the .50, you use different technique for firing so you can actually use the tracer for that purpose. Standard procedure if you want to use tracer for target spotting is to up the ratio. Squad and team leaders often load 1/2 tracer to ball or even 1/1. Remember though, tracers work both ways, especially at night. [ January 23, 2003, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: Sgtgoody ]

AJ With all respect. Check your box you whining mammet! [ January 23, 2003, 05:30 AM: Message edited by: Sgtgoody ]

The only thing you can do is to make it again for your operation.

Unlike what you see in the movies tracers are not that easy to see during the day. At night they light up like a laser but during the day you only really notice them if you happen to be looking in the right direction or if they have been going for a while. They were mainly for aim adjusting but with a secondary role of target spotting, but like I said they don't really do that well during the day. Trying to spot tracers in a buttoned up tank without any knowledge as to the general direction to look is just not going to happen. Even with the refinements in modern vision blocks (periscopes), visibility sucks. Distant objects are distorted and you have no peripherial vision.

Remember also that the turret ring is pretty nearly center mass for most tank targets. It is standard proceedure to train to aim center mass. If that happens to also be a weak point then that is gravy. [ January 22, 2003, 04:43 AM: Message edited by: Sgtgoody ]

...called uncle Yalka (praying that he had his phone ear on) and told him to put in his evil eye, Hilda was at it again. A knowing grin spread over Yalka's face as he remembered...

Ok you guys, you've got me hooked on mods now. When are we going to see some captured Stugs. Everything else is running around in nice snow camo and my Stugs are sticking out like a sore thumb. Not that I'm really complaining, BUT THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!

Don't give in yet Rex. A couple lucky shots and you are in there. Plus losing with vastly inferior forces is no shame while winning with them is the height of glory. (Are you pepped up now? )

Tell your friend that unless that Sturmtiger was set in position with preplanned targets then the Panther is not going to be able to call fire. For one thing they probably don't even have the same crystals in their radio and for another the TC of the Panther is probably not trained to call indirect fire.