winkelried Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 2nd Panzer Div traveling from Somme to Caen covers about 200km going by googlemaps. The two panzer battalions report on day of arrival 75% operational PIV and 75% operational Panthers. The reports of unreliability of Panther's is vastly overstated and or PIV reliability is vastly overstated in 1944. End of Aug/Begin of Sep 44 the 11th Panzer Division ran their Panthers from the Area of Avignon on roads 1500 km north (seems the tracks had a lifetime of only 800kms) into the Jura mountains. Despite losses due to combat (20+% alone at Montélimar and another 20% Meximieux) they arrived with 50% of initial strength operational. (Source: Drugdale). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flammenwerfer Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Syrians and desert. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetchez la Vache Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Field latrines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Sedai Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 The French. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetchez la Vache Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 The French. Okay, involuntary spray of toast and jam over my keyboard. Thanks for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aewert Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Thank the French.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpabrams Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 re-spawning 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Taxi IED's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 I caught this segment on the Daily Show this week: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-june-30-2011/moral-kombat The "action" in this game would qualify as one of the most appalling things I've seen. -Makes the gore in SPR's beach scene look like an old cowboy film. Sheesh. Wait a minute, was that actually noob who won that? Noob aren't you supposed to be leading a massive CM campaign? How did you find time to team up with your evil twin and tear an opponent in half? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poesel Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 This: http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/the-hello-kitty-assault-rifle/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan8325 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 This: http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/the-hello-kitty-assault-rifle/ Fear not. That still has a chance of making it into CMSF2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 To answer the original question, I find myself wishing for a lot of features that already were in CM1 and made it so playable, but are not in CM2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG TOW Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Panzerkleins 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 2nd Panzer Div traveling from Somme to Caen covers about 200km going by googlemaps. The two panzer battalions report on day of arrival 75% operational PIV and 75% operational Panthers. Well, sure. By using Googlemaps they can avoid the soft ground. The rest of us have to squint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Well, sure. By using Googlemaps they can avoid the soft ground. The rest of us have to squint. Sorry I'm wrong the Panzer regiment had to go to Paris due to the bridges being knocked out by the RAF and USAAF: so 100km by road. They (tracked elemental) then entrained and were dropped off at Sees-Alencon, the Caen area was another drive 80km from the railhead so about 180km drive on their tracks leading to 25% of the panthers and PIV requiring maintenance. the rest of the wheeled elements of the divs had to drive 400km 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narses Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 2nd Panzer Div traveling from Somme to Caen covers about 200km going by googlemaps. The two panzer battalions report on day of arrival 75% operational PIV and 75% operational Panthers. The reports of unreliability of Panther's is vastly overstated and or PIV reliability is vastly overstated in 1944. Just to clarify your statement about 2nd Pz Div which is correct but leaves out the method of transportation of tracked vehicles. What you didn't mention was that the 2nd Pz Div armored and tracked vehicles moved by train from the Amiens area. They did not road march.The division's wheeled elements departed around 1400 on 9 June and arrived at Sees-Alencon on 11 June. But the tracked vehicles had just departed by rail. It was not until 20 June that all units of the division arrived. The Panther Abt arrived on 19 June with 52 Panthers operational and 20 in need of minor repairs due to damage in the road march to and from the trains. The PzIV Abt arrived on the same date also with about 75% available. (pg 313, Normandy 1944 by Zetterling pub 2000). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Just to clarify your statement about 2nd Pz Div which is correct but leaves out the method of transportation of tracked vehicles. What you didn't mention was that the 2nd Pz Div armored and tracked vehicles moved by train from the Amiens area. They did not road march.The division's wheeled elements departed around 1400 on 9 June and arrived at Sees-Alencon on 11 June. But the tracked vehicles had just departed by rail. It was not until 20 June that all units of the division arrived. The Panther Abt arrived on 19 June with 52 Panthers operational and 20 in need of minor repairs due to damage in the road march to and from the trains. The PzIV Abt arrived on the same date also with about 75% available. (pg 313, Normandy 1944 by Zetterling pub 2000). Yeah sorry my initial post was when away from home and incorrectly off the top of my head, clarified it afterwards after actuly reading the data. Sorry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narses Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 FLAGS ...no more silly capture the flag objectives. Ditto that one ! I always turned them off !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narses Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Yeah sorry my initial post was when away from home and incorrectly off the top of my head, clarified it afterwards after actuly reading the data. Sorry Sorry, I posted mine I guess about the same time you posted your correction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narses Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 2nd Panzer Div traveling from Somme to Caen covers about 200km going by googlemaps. The two panzer battalions report on day of arrival 75% operational PIV and 75% operational Panthers. The reports of unreliability of Panther's is vastly overstated and or PIV reliability is vastly overstated in 1944. Certainly this is a complicated subject. But a review of Jentz's 2 vol Panzer Truppen seems to indicate serious issues. We all know the disasterous employment of Panthers at Kursk where nearly 200 PzV's fell to 40 by Jul 7 (pg 98 Jentz, Vol 2) and more or less remained around 35-40 thru the month. Even the Eastern Front's total operational versus repairables was 1922 total and 775 available on 10 Sep 43 (so roughly 40% available on the entire Eastern Front) but there is no way to determine combat damage or mechanical issues. But this is Eastern Front. The problems with the Panther were never really resolved with a power train under powered for the tank's weight. Jentz's quotes a British examination of all panzers left on the battlefield in their op area in the West between 8 Aug and 24 Aug. Of 223 panzers examined 108 had been destroyed by crews and 63 abandoned. 13 were unkown. So lets say 171 not combat damaged but many could be no fuel issues. Btw, only 10 appeared destroyed or immobilized by aircraft (7 by rockets). 24 were by AP fire and 1 by HC. 21st Pz Div's 22nd Pz Rgt on the West Front had no Panthers but mostly PzIV's. They had 117 (including 21 kurz 7.5cm cannon) says Jentz. 22 Pz Rgt on 30 Jun had only 7 runners and 52 in repair. Were these all battle damaged ? I doubt it as they mostly did not control the battlefield and could not retrieve. From 23 thru 27 June they had no panzers operational but then 12 on 29 Jul and 41 in repair (Jentz, Vol 2, pg 185). They then fell to an avg of about 5 thru 11 Aug. They reported losses of 54 Pz IV's 6 June thru 8 July. These figures don't necessarily seem to agree with a starting figure of 117 but it included the older PzIV kurz which may not have been employed except for secondary roles. The operational status of the Tiger Abt is also very poor. On 1 Jun SS Pz Abt 101 had 45 Tigers. 37 operational and 8 in repair. By 1 Jul they had 15 total losses, 11 operational and 19 in repair. Then they had NONE operational on 5 thru 7 July when all 30 Tigers were in maintenance and on 8 Jul had 21 operational ( a great maintenance effort !) and 7 in repair and 2 total losses. By 12 Jul it was 13 operational and 16 in repair. They seem not to have received replacements and operated afterwards thru August with roughly a total of 25 total with 5 to 15 in repair )Jentz Vol 2, pg 184). As I proposed earlier since in this defensive fighting for the Germans they mostly did not control the battlefields and could not easily have retrieved their tanks damaged or broken down to any large extent. Therefore I believe the panzers listed as "repairable" on their own reports were either breakdowns in their own areas of operation or minor combat damage with the panzer still a runner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Von Television Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Square wheels! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumboots Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 1/ Health bars 2/ The word 'Awesome' in descriptions/manual 3/ Russell Brand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I caught this segment on the Daily Show this week: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-june-30-2011/moral-kombat The "action" in this game would qualify as one of the most appalling things I've seen. -Makes the gore in SPR's beach scene look like an old cowboy film. Sheesh. Appalling for sure, still not as bad as Kids with guns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Russell Brand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrold Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Seeing that picture first thing in the morning is chock full of not right. BDH 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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