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The Rusty Gear

Anyone not accept Vichy offer?

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I've tried a few times as Axis not accepting the Vichy offer, but it has always ended up poorly. The French Medi fleet always stops any sort of amphib assault I can mount on Algeria, and the Italians aren't much help. Bulgaria, Romania and Hungaary don't want to join with France still in, and now Italy DOW's on Greece! I have no land bridge there!

Anyone ever emply a sucessful "No Vichy" strategy"? I'm thinking the only way would be to put off capturing Paris, take Marseilles and somehow take Algeria before taking Paris . . .

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I've done it a number of times now with good results.

Basically, don't enter Paris until you've got Algiers encircled. I tend to use two German armies together with Rommel and an Italian corps. As soon as Italy enters transport across Rommel and the two armies from Milan and then move on Tunis.

Simples... :-)

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That's right, taking Algiers can lead directly to Franco joining the war, which is the great prize for having fought a tough campaign to conquer all of France and Algeria.

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Franco does join in at a cost of 800 MPP which is good as you then get an early jump on Gibraltar and receive an extra tank unit.

You get to keep Algiers, Tunisia, Syria and Madagascar plus territory in the Western hemisphere, if I remember rightly.

On the down side the French puts a corps in Hanoi when you decline the Vichy offer, which is not really a major problem for the Japanese anyway.

The trick is to get the balance right between taking all of France, Sealion and Barbarossa. Not so simples... :-(

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In my latest game Franco didn't join. Not sure whether this was because I had taken Algiers before Paris or because Spain was only at 26% in terms of diplomacy...

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That is actually very interesting Grong and it would be useful to understand why that happened. I captured Algiers and Paris at the same time today and Franco did offer to join me. So I'd say its either the diplomacy you mentioned or that you did not have a unit stationed in Algiers, which I think could also be a requirement.

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There was a German army in Algiers so it wasn't that. Maybe a bug?

If you are not certain to get DE 503 offered then I don't think it's worth the hassle of taking all of France.

You'll then have spare units to defend the Eastern front and also to take the Baltic states before the Russkis do...

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Just taking a quick look at the conditions for DE 503, if France has surrendered, Axis units are in Algiers and Spain has a mobilization % >= 30 towards the Axis then the DE should be presented.

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Spain has to be at 30% for Franco to consider joining the Axis, so this is the reason why Spain hasn't joined in this case.

However, as Spain starts the 1939 World At War scenario at 40% Axis, I'm intrigued to see that Spain has gone down to 26% in your game. Providing it is this scenario you're playing and not a mod, then it would appear that either you've done something to annoy Franco, or the Allies have invested in diplomacy?

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Thanks Hubert & Bill101, that's a very useful snippet of information.

Must be because the Allies have invested in diplomacy. I wouldn't dare to annoy Franco. :)

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Just taking a quick look at the conditions for DE 503, if France has surrendered, Axis units are in Algiers and Spain has a mobilization % >= 30 towards the Axis then the DE should be presented.

" France has surrendered, Axis units are in Algiers "

Does this mean that DE 503 will fire even if there is a Vichy France? ie if *Vichy* Algiers is taken?

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Just started replaying the game and I was looking back at some old posts and found this one on Franco joining if Vichy isn't formed. I don't do any looking at scripts, modifying or anything of the sort. I just play when I have a few extra hours to burn. Is this scenario still in play or has it been written out with updates? If it is still in there I'm gonna have to give it a try next game.   :) 

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