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I know better than to post this but what the hell, I stopped playing all my SC's games 6 months ago because I felt the AI was very poor I know just one players opinion, I am not picking on Hubert because I am still firmly convinced the AI just cannot be done right to stand up against a decent human opponet. Graphics were decent, ideas were well thought out on game play, carriers were very well done, supply in my opinion was not well done, for the first time I am playing a game by pbem [not SC] and I am starting to enjoy playing that way, forgive me for this Hubert but why should I put out another penny into this series, please give me a couple of reasons to buy this game, not being smart I just want to play a game with a lot of replay value.

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Bo,

It's true the AI ulimately is no match for a human player, but slowly the developers are getting better at simulating a real human player all the time.

In the meantime, many games do offer multiplayer options.

Perhaps the new Global game will come closer to that ideal.

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Bowenw start playing P.B.E.M. games.Its a HUGE difference.I think the A.I.is GREAT in teaching the mechanics of the game and its the best ive ever played against.No matter how good you make it you can always trick the A.I.It will generally react the same way to any given attack,so its easy once you figure that out you will win prettywell evertime.Against another human its a totally different game.

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Bo,

It's true the AI ulimately is no match for a human player, but slowly the developers are getting better at simulating a real human player all the time.

In the meantime, many games do offer multiplayer options.

Perhaps the new Global game will come closer to that ideal.

I DO HOPE SO!

Hey Snow I was just up there there the friday after thanksgiving, stayed at the comfort inn on 3rd ave. I could tell you we went there for the xmas lighting ceremony and to church but that would have been a lie we went to the Sands casino and ate at Emerils, we ate first than lost all our money and went home[have to eat] I had never seen the Bethlehem steel works before, wow it is huge and what they [sands] intend to do with it is mind boggling.

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Bowenw start playing P.B.E.M. games.Its a HUGE difference.I think the A.I.is GREAT in teaching the mechanics of the game and its the best ive ever played against.No matter how good you make it you can always trick the A.I.It will generally react the same way to any given attack,so its easy once you figure that out you will win prettywell evertime.Against another human its a totally different game.

Hi Arado I intend to play by pbem as soon as I get comfortable with it, I have been playing computer war games for 15 years now and until 2 weeks ago had never played pbem before. Is the pbem of the SC's series good?

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Bo,

A bit off-topic :rolleyes:, but yes, the ole' Bethlehem Steel property is big, so big they only build the Sands casino on a tiny fraction of the area it originally had. Personally, I hate casinos, so I'm depressed they want to build table games there now too. Oh well. Glad I live a few miles to the south further away. I'd rather enjoy the Xmas festivities in downtown. That's why they call it the Christmas City. ;)

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Hi Bowenw!

The AI in SC is one of the best to be found but the AI is not more then a bunch of scripts so once you you learnt how to beat it you should play a human by pbem and that's really when the game shows it's true face.....and that's a really sweet face.

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It's true the AI ulimately is no match for a human player, but slowly the developers are getting better at simulating a real human player all the time.

Each game in the series has gotten progressively better with enhancements to the generic AI and improvements to the AI and event scripts. It takes a LOT of time to fine-tune the AI scripting to get things just right AND provide challenging gameplay for both sides. I've been working on my A3R mod AI scripting for YEARS now and I'm still "fine-tuning" it. Right now I'm very pleased with latest results for the Global Conflict version. :cool:

I'm an exception to the rule because I have been focused on my mod for so many years now. Unfortunately the nature of the business requires so much time for new feature and new campaign development/testing for each new game that sufficient time for making the AI great just isn't there. Hubert and the rest of the team do a great job with post-release patches making the AI better. But there comes a point when focus shifts to the next game and the "old" game AI development pretty much stops. This is true for most all games and it's disappointing. And I'm guilty of this myself; there are improvements I could make to my old PDE version mod that frankly I'm not going to spend any time doing.

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I don't want to sound disaggreable here, so I won't. I'll just disagree...

I've been playing the Strategic Command series for a long time now against the AI, and yes! I still find it challenging! There are scenarios, where if I just put the evil opponent thinking machine on max difficulty, that I just find my penguin heinie kicked!

So no complaints at all relative to the AI. At all.

PBEM is something I will look forward to with Global. Some of you will have fun, demolishing me.

And that time is coming sooner than later. I can feel it.

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I know better than to post this but what the hell, I stopped playing all my SC's games 6 months ago because I felt the AI was very poor I know just one players opinion, I am not picking on Hubert because I am still firmly convinced the AI just cannot be done right to stand up against a decent human opponet. Graphics were decent, ideas were well thought out on game play, carriers were very well done, supply in my opinion was not well done, for the first time I am playing a game by pbem [not SC] and I am starting to enjoy playing that way, forgive me for this Hubert but why should I put out another penny into this series, please give me a couple of reasons to buy this game, not being smart I just want to play a game with a lot of replay value.

Bo

William,

There is no problem with your post and it sounds like you are a very good player and in that sense you should definitely give Multiplayer a try as I agree with the other posters here that it will bring SC game play to a whole new level.

In terms of the AI there are always incremental improvements but as much as we would like it to be as good as a human player this is likely to never be the case. Either way I do stand by the AI as being one of the better ones in comparison to similar games in the genre, but granted that might not mean much if you still find it does not meet the challenge you present to it.

For the game itself, this was a long work in progress and will have quite a bit to offer as it is WWII on a Global scale which in itself is quite attractive to those waiting for this type of grand strategy game.

Beyond that we will offer a demo so everyone will get an even better idea on what the game has to offer and hopefully you will like it enough to take the plunge.

Hope this helps,

Hubert

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William,

There is no problem with your post and it sounds like you are a very good player and in that sense you should definitely give Multiplayer a try as I agree with the other posters here that it will bring SC game play to a whole new level.

In terms of the AI there are always incremental improvements but as much as we would like it to be as good as a human player this is likely to never be the case. Either way I do stand by the AI as being one of the better ones in comparison to similar games in the genre, but granted that might not mean much if you still find it does not meet the challenge you present to it.

For the game itself, this was a long work in progress and will have quite a bit to offer as it is WWII on a Global scale which in itself is quite attractive to those waiting for this type of grand strategy game.

Beyond that we will offer a demo so everyone will get an even better idea on what the game has to offer and hopefully you will like it enough to take the plunge.

Hope this helps,

Hubert

Of course it helps Hubert I was not knocking you at all and I think you understood that, the problem is I am not that good and if I can beat the AI that makes me nervous, do you remember a discussion we had about when the two American units invaded Hokkaido without any resources behind them and were easily wiped out, I am assuming it was scripted to do that every time which you did change later, but that does not lead to good replay value thats all I am saying, I most likely will buy the game but I get so frustrated waiting for someone to break the barrier with an AI that can take on the good players here [does not include me] good luck with your endeavors Hubert.

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Bo,

A bit off-topic :rolleyes:, but yes, the ole' Bethlehem Steel property is big, so big they only build the Sands casino on a tiny fraction of the area it originally had. Personally, I hate casinos, so I'm depressed they want to build table games there now too. Oh well. Glad I live a few miles to the south further away. I'd rather enjoy the Xmas festivities in downtown. That's why they call it the Christmas City. ;)

My post so I can stray if I want:D

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I can definitely see the point where the AI will often do things that a human player will not and I guess my next question is if that is the source of major frustration, i.e. does the AI otherwise provide you with a decent enough challenge, including the harder levels where you still have to work to win the game etc.?

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the problem is I am not that good and if I can beat the AI that makes me nervous

Hi William

One thing you'll find when you do start playing the Global game, or any other SC game, by PBEM, is that after a few games your gameplay will be a lot better. Massively so!

I have always loved the multiplayer aspect in SC, in fact until this game I had never ever played online with anyone else, and there's a real thrill to it that just makes me keeping wanting to play more.

Bill

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I can definitely see the point where the AI will often do things that a human player will not and I guess my next question is if that is the source of major frustration, i.e. does the AI otherwise provide you with a decent enough challenge, including the harder levels where you still have to work to win the game etc.?

Thank you Hubert for the personal attention which I dont deserve because I get so negative at times. The AI seems to do well when an area is congested, I have all the SC games except Patton because I am strictly only interested in WW2 games, axis, allies. The AI is good I guess but as soon as I beat the AI I start to lose interest in a game any game, maybe a head shrinker could help me on that one, for example in the Pacific game around the Phillipines the two American destroyers are in the same place and do the same thing everytime when the Japanese attacked the US in the Phillipines, is there anyway it can be alternated, like each game they become randomly placed?

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Hi William

One thing you'll find when you do start playing the Global game, or any other SC game, by PBEM, is that after a few games your gameplay will be a lot better. Massively so!

I have always loved the multiplayer aspect in SC, in fact until this game I had never ever played online with anyone else, and there's a real thrill to it that just makes me keeping wanting to play more.

Bill

Hi Bill 101 I could not agree more with you, my problem is when I play the AI the game flows quickly and smoothly, pbem is a kind of waiting thing for someone to answer you, has SC pbem worked well, no problems?

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bowenw playing the SC2 series P.B.E.M.is ALOT of fun.Try and get game going.

The one thing I found about SC P.T.O.was against a human with equal skill the Japs have virtually no chance(as they shouldnt).With SC2 the Axis have a reasonable chance to win.Makes it much more interesting.Im sure this World game coming out will be ALOT of fun P.B.E.M.

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Hi Bill 101 I could not agree more with you, my problem is when I play the AI the game flows quickly and smoothly, pbem is a kind of waiting thing for someone to answer you, has SC pbem worked well, no problems?

Bo

I think it all depends on your opponent. If you play with someone who is very busy and only does a turn a week then obviously it's not going to be as exciting as you might wish. But if you find one who has roughly the same amount of free time as you, and better still at roughly the same time, then yes, as far as a gaming experience goes I think I've had some of the most exciting experiences playing SC by pbem.

I've now been playing most of my opponents for many years now, and it's good to get to know each other a little and share some banter while we play.

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The one thing I found about SC P.T.O.was against a human with equal skill the Japs have virtually no chance(as they shouldnt).

Hi Tom

Have you tried the latest patch in PTO? Only in my own experience, pretty much always where I'm playing as Japanese, I can't remember the last time Japan didn't hold out until the end. Multiplayer certainly works for me in that game, and I think that for multiplayer it's one of my favourites, simply because Japan does face a hard struggle and has to keep on her toes throughout.

I'm not the best player either, and in one game where I was Allied I embarrassingly managed to lose all bar one of my US carriers to a massive Japanese carrier attack in 1945. It almost pains me to admit it here!

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Bill I havent loaded the newest patch.I must give it a go.

Speaking of loosing your Carriers KSW sank most of mine(well laid trap by him) and I still just about won.If I had gotten clear weather for enough turns I would have beaten him(he also drove me to the very last city in India(I tried a chinese suicide attack and lost China REAL fast) and I was still able to push him all the way back invade Japan and come close to winning).If the new patch helps then I for sure will give it a try.

Some here dont like the Atomic bombs being in the game.If they are to be removed then the Amis should get something substantial in return.The Manhattan project cost a HUGE some of money an effort.

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Some here dont like the Atomic bombs being in the game.If they are to be removed then the Amis should get something substantial in return.The Manhattan project cost a HUGE some of money an effort.

What makes you so sure that this money would have been spend into the war? Could't it as well have been spend for social services, streets, heath care, etc.?

After all the USA never had introduce a "total war" production like most of the rest of the combatants in WW2.

I presume that there would be a fair chance that this money would have been spend elsewhere, and not into guns and grenades.

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