76mm Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 There seems to be a fair amount of interest in CMC, and I for one have been interested for a long time. I still play CMBB very frequently but it's come to the point where I need to replace my computer, and more likely than not it will be Vista, which sadly would mean no more CMBB. I would guess that a lot of existing XP machines are going to be replaced in the near future with Vista boxes. If CMBB doesn't work in Vista, doesn't that severely limit the size of the potential market for CMC? This isn't a bash, I'm just curious if the developers intend to launch this project w/o addressing CMBB's Vista incompatibility? On the other hand, an exclusive Vista-upgrade bundled with CMC would probably do quite a bit to bump sales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the primary problem is with Nvidias 8800 cards not working in Vista when playing CMx1. Not necessarily an incompatibility with CMBB and Vista. At least thats how I understood it, since I too will be getting a new pc soon. But I'm still contemplating sticking with XP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mm Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the primary problem is with Nvidias 8800 cards not working in Vista when playing CMx1. Not necessarily an incompatibility with CMBB and Vista. At least thats how I understood it, since I too will be getting a new pc soon. But I'm still contemplating sticking with XP. You might be right; I've read the thread in the CMBB forum, and it sounded more complicated than that...is it only one video card that doesn't work with CMBB under Vista? I thought it was a broader problem than that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 There seems to be a fair amount of interest in CMC, and I for one have been interested for a long time. I still play CMBB very frequently but it's come to the point where I need to replace my computer, and more likely than not it will be Vista, which sadly would mean no more CMBB. I would guess that a lot of existing XP machines are going to be replaced in the near future with Vista boxes. If CMBB doesn't work in Vista, doesn't that severely limit the size of the potential market for CMC? This isn't a bash, I'm just curious if the developers intend to launch this project w/o addressing CMBB's Vista incompatibility? On the other hand, an exclusive Vista-upgrade bundled with CMC would probably do quite a bit to bump sales. CMBB works just fine under Vista. It's amazing how these rumors can start. The problem, as far as I know, is only with Vista drivers for the GeForce 8800 cards. It should work, but doesn't, which means either buggy drivers or a deliberate break of compatibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mm Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 Moon, thanks for the response, and sorry if I'm confused about Vista. So CMBB will work on Vista except with the 8800 video cards? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 According to the discussion in the CMAK tech support forum, CMBB doesn't work with any combination of DX10 cards and Vista. I specifically asked if ATI DX10 cards would work, and was told no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 NVidia broke DX5 comptibility in the DX10 drivers (ATI probably, too, but who cares?). The DX10 drivers are only used when you have both of (a) Vista and ( a DX10 card such as Gefore 8xxx or 9xxx card. Otherwise you have DX9 drivers and they work for CMx1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Why who cares? The new ATI cards are supposed to be at least as good as Nvidia, and if that would fix the problem, that's the way I'd go, but apparently it doesn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crowley Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I have Vista and an Nvidia 8800 card - and, now, no problems. Originally I suffered the same multiplying screen problem as was common to the above combination, rendering CMBB unplayable. However, by tickering with the setup, specifically for CMBB (and CMAK), everything works OK now - a little slower than I remember but I can live with that. Can't remember the exact setup but will look it up if any one is interested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Hi James, I would be very interested to know how you got it to work properly? I could get it to work, but very badly to the point where it was unplayable. I decided to reinstall XP Pro SP3, and with my 8800 GS DX10 card it now works perfectly, and very quickly. But I would like to reinstall Vista as some new games have extra DX10 functionality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 NVidia broke DX5 comptibility in the DX10 drivers (ATI probably, too, but who cares?). The DX10 drivers are only used when you have both of (a) Vista and ( a DX10 card such as Gefore 8xxx or 9xxx card. Otherwise you have DX9 drivers and they work for CMx1. So I take it when playing CMx1 with Vista and a DX10 card that the DX10 drivers are being used? If this is the case, then is it possible to make CMx1 run under the DX9 drivers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 So I take it when playing CMx1 with Vista and a DX10 card that the DX10 drivers are being used? If this is the case, then is it possible to make CMx1 run under the DX9 drivers? You cannot use the DX9 drivers if you have vista and a 8xxx or 9xxx card, NVidia won't let you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 You cannot use the DX9 drivers if you have vista and a 8xxx or 9xxx card, NVidia won't let you. Thats not entirely true, I have read that some games give you the option between DX9 and DX10(Bioshock, Crysis). But these are newer games, I guess the old games like CMx1 would require somekind of a patch/update. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Thats not entirely true, I have read that some games give you the option between DX9 and DX10(Bioshock, Crysis). But these are newer games, I guess the old games like CMx1 would require somekind of a patch/update. You mix up API and drivers. The DX10 drivers provide the API for DX9, DX8 etc. The DX9 drivers provide APIs for DX8 DX7 etc. You can run a DX9 program on DX10 drivers but you still use NVidia's DX10 drivers, using the DX9 calls. The DX5 calls that NVidia's DX9 drivers provide work for CMx1. The DX5 calls that NVidia's DX10 drivers provide are broken. If you have Vista and a DX10 capable card, NVidia gives you no choice than using the DX10 drivers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrashb Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 So, through all of this, is there a way to manually set the resolution of CMBB? I'm running on Vista, widescreen, 1680x1050 native, and I can't even see the resolution-setting screen when CMBB starts - it's off of the visible area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Can you not delete the prefs file and start again? This is what I did. By the way I use a panel with the same resolution and CMBB will only let you use 1280x1024 max. (I think it is!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crowley Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hi James, I would be very interested to know how you got it to work properly? I could get it to work, but very badly to the point where it was unplayable. I decided to reinstall XP Pro SP3, and with my 8800 GS DX10 card it now works perfectly, and very quickly. But I would like to reinstall Vista as some new games have extra DX10 functionality. Hi Phil These are my settings. Bear in mind that I have very little clue as to what they are and it may be possible to optimise further, especially on the speed issue. Anisotrpic filtering: 16x Antialiasing gamma : on " mode: override " setting: 16xQ " transparency: supersampling Conformant texture clamp : use open GL spec Error reporting: on Force minimaps: billinear Multi display: compatabilty perf. mode Stereo: use onboard DIN Texture filtering Anisotropic : on " " Negative Loss bias: allow " " Quality: performance " " trillinear: on Threaded option: on Triple Buffer: on Verical Sync: force off Hope that helps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Thanks for the reply James. Can you confirm which set of drivers you are using? It may just be that Nvidia have finally pulled their fingers out. (I've got mine crossed). By the way, if you set AA and AF to 2x you should notice huge improvements in framerates and still have some visual delights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrashb Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I'm still getting an "unhandled exception", which the CMBB FAQ says is related to DX. Since I won't mess around with my box - concerned about breaking other stuff - I'll have to wait until CMBB is DX10 compliant. If CMC is to be successful, it will have to support DX10 - very few buyers will be savvy or gutsy enough to downgrade to 9. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARI SELDON Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I'm still getting an "unhandled exception", which the CMBB FAQ says is related to DX. Since I won't mess around with my box - concerned about breaking other stuff - I'll have to wait until CMBB is DX10 compliant. If CMC is to be successful, it will have to support DX10 - very few buyers will be savvy or gutsy enough to downgrade to 9. From their comments, I don't believe Battlefront has any intention in making CMBB compliant with vista & DX10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 You miss the point. CMx1 is a DX5 game. What is broken is DX5 compatibility in NVidia's DX10 drivers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARI SELDON Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 You miss the point. CMx1 is a DX5 game. What is broken is DX5 compatibility in NVidia's DX10 drivers. For my mind, this is the point. Many former players of CMBB have "upgraded" their pc's with vista and a modern graphic card. As you say, nvidia dx10 dirvers are not compatible with dx5, therefore CMBB is unplayable for those of us who have "upgraded". It doesn't matter if it's a nvidia problem or a battlefront problem, the game remains unplayable. As much as I was looking forward to this product, there is no point in my purchasing it until either nvidia or battlefront resolves the compatibility issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooz Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 My question is whether or not CMC will work with 32-bit Vista with an ATI 4870 graphics card. Will it? I have actually been enjoying my Matrix game: Panzer Command: Kharkov. Not nearly as good as CMx1 but at least it is Vista and wide-screen compatible. Bottom line is that I'm back playing an enjoyable WWII game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mm Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes, I'm days away from buying a new computer and would also like to know if CMBB will run under an ATI 36 or 48 card with Vista? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellysheroes Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 It's my understanding that when you buy a new computer (if you aren't skilled like some of us building your own) that you can request XP INSTEAD of Vista be installed as your operating system. Specialty shops will easily do this for you and you'll really get a better deal and a much better computer if you use a specialty shop over a retail store like Best Buy or Walmarts (they always have crap hardware installed on the motherboards and most gamers have to buy and reinstall better stuff anyways afterwards). I myself will not buy Vista or any other future OS until I absolutely have to and with the games I play that's gonna be a pretty long time as it was like 2005 before I even upgraded from Win98 to XP. I have my system purring playing new games and old DOS games using XP and I'll be damned if I upgrade just because something new is out there. Remember NEW doesn't always mean BETTER or FASTER. I don't play shooters and scooters so I don't really care about the glitz and glamor of a faster card. Long as my wargames will play and those from Battlefront, Matrixgames, Paradox and HPS/Sharapnal do I don't really care what the rest of the world does. So, if you bought or upgraded to Vista you've just joined the rest of the fools in the world that follow the pied piper of technology. lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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