British Tommy Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 GJK has started a poll at his Proving Grounds site where you can vote on your favourite way of playing Combat Mission. So far PBEM is out in front :cool: So get your butt over there and cast your vote! Here's the link : PG CM POLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 I like the Brooklyn Dodgers & Baltimore Colts too If I Vote & Hope really hard will that make a difference ? (about as much difference as the PBEM vote will make) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 I feel a premonition coming up. I predict... Could all you panicked PBEMers please just read what has been said about this subject, nod your head as if you understood it and then STFU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Polling on PBEM at TPG is the equivalent to polling on beer at a pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Indeed, considering that most of the users (active ones) are PBEM'ers it wouldn't be hard to predict what the final score will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 FYI: I started the poll out of my own curiosity. It's not meant to be influencial or as an "in your face, you were wrong BFC" type of thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simovitch Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Originally posted by Elmar Bijlsma: Could all you panicked PBEMers please just read what has been said about this subject, nod your head as if you understood it and then STFU? wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
British Tommy Posted September 4, 2005 Author Share Posted September 4, 2005 You will find at the PG site all types of scenario's so it's not meant just for PBEM! ( Geez! ) So chill out please, the poll is just for fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Polls tell people what they want to hear more than anything. The most important thing to do is NOT put the Poll someplace where you are likely going to get a statistically biased sample result. Putting a PBEM poll like that in a place that is frequented mostly by PBEM players is going to produce a "duh, I already knew that" result rather than something useful. It would be like polling here if people really wanted us to make another tactical wargame or instead make a FPS with completely unrealistic combat. If we were trying to figure out what our customers wanted, then this would be fine. But if we were trying to figure out which one would sell more if we looked beyond our customers, well... this ain't a useful place to poll Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrold Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 How about a poll on the type of cheese to be used for the power-ups...now that would be something! BFS5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Originally posted by simovitch: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Elmar Bijlsma: Could all you panicked PBEMers please just read what has been said about this subject, nod your head as if you understood it and then STFU? wtf? </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simovitch Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Originally posted by Elmar Bijlsma: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by simovitch: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Elmar Bijlsma: Could all you panicked PBEMers please just read what has been said about this subject, nod your head as if you understood it and then STFU? wtf? </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I'd like another tactical wargame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG_Jag Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 While no poll is perfect, this seems to be a legit attempt to guage the preferences of the CM community. It is hosted and located at a site that is now the premier place to be of all CM scenario designers and those wanting to download those battles and ops. This site will apparently replace the lost and lamented CM Scenario Depot. The battles and ops offered there are not limited by type of play and indeed represent all types of play. Of course those that bought a copy of one of the CM games, played it for a week or two and then put it on a shelf now coverd with dust are unlikely to participate in the poll. In any case its results will be more persuasive and instructive than "we know because we know" opinions that we have heard thus far. As I recall from business school that is how the Edsel was designed. Consumer market surveys were used by Ford shortly thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Originally posted by KG_Jag: While no poll is perfect, this seems to be a legit attempt to guage the preferences of the CM community. In any case its results will be more persuasive and instructive than "we know because we know" opinions that we have heard thus far. The PBEM preferences of the CM Community have been brought out "ad Nauseum" The "we know because we know" is in all probability BFC's way of offering a civil reply to an impertinent question. Approach another well established and successful business, requesting proprietary information and see what type of response you get. and I will bet your next retainer fee the chances of CMX2 being an "electronic Edsel" are about 0 (zero) [ September 04, 2005, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: jeffsmith ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 In any case its results will be more persuasive and instructive than "we know because we know" opinions that we have heard thus farNo it won't. That is my point. The place you are asking is frequented by the hardcore center of the CM community. They are, not surprisingly, PBEM centric. So you are going to get a skewed sample. Period. So what is the point? If I posted a poll here that asked "should we continue to make games or take jobs making baskets" what do you think the results would be? Just what you'd exepct, and that is exactly what you will get from the poll you made. It really is rather obvious. Also, the poll doesn't ask the right question. For example, "would you rather a game that was 1/2 as good because it supported PBEM at all costs, or roll the dice and try for a game that is twice as good but has a small chance that it might not have PBEM?". An out of context choice like "how do you play the game" like the poll on TPG has no bearing on the discussion of PBEM inclusion in CMx2 even if there was the possibility of changing things... Which brings me to the "what's the point of the poll anyway?" We've already said we want to include PBEM, even if a minority of players use it. So number of people using it is NOT a factor. We've already said that we don't think it is likely we won't be able. We've already said that we refuse to promise anything until we know for sure we can. And above all, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO TO CHANGE ANY OF THIS. So why is it that I have to keep seeing these threads and locking them up? Next thing I know people will start up threads every couple of days asking about if we're going to model battalion level operations. Oh crap... wait, that's already happened. ARGH! Steve [ September 04, 2005, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Battlefront.com ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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