Wehr Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 First of all, Finland purchased alot of Panzerfausts/Schrecks from Germany in 1944 when Russia was at their border again. Russian suffered alot of casualties because of this, but eventually won again. This is impossible with the current situation. As much as I love Lahti AT rifles, they were not used in 1944. I will get the exact figures if needed. Secondly, after Finland was defeated they were obliged to fight against the Germans as part of a peace gesture to Russia. This is called the Lapland War. Finland should be able to fight against Germany after the summer of 1944. [ October 12, 2002, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: Wehr ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 Russian suffered alot of casualties because of this, but eventually won again Err ? Their last breakthrough attempt was defeated in Tali-Ihantala. In Ilomantsi region IIRC 2 attacking divisions were encircled. Thats why Russians accepted the negoatiated peace since they couldn't occupy Finland with this go and their divisions were needed for the drive to Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishu Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 Indeed.. wheres the panzerfausts and shrecks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanachai Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 The sodding Finns were defeated?! Why isn't that properly modeled on the Forum, then?! Can't turn around anywhere without falling over one of them talking about how their relatives did for the Russians, or the Germans, or any Forum member who gave them a hard time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinz Eugen Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Originally posted by Seanachai: Can't turn around anywhere without falling over one of them talking about how their relatives did for the Russians, or the Germans, or any Forum member who gave them a hard time...Well, if you consider the circumstances - a small nation beat the Soviets (yes, the ones that ended up in Berlin ) , thus securing our independence ( and survival ), then wonder no more about why the concept of überFinns is so dear to us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arzi Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Also StuG-III's had the machine gun in roof. Now it has nothing for close defence. Actually the original German MG-34 machine gun was replaced with Soviet 7.62mm DT machine gun, which was in Finnish opinion more reliable. Also armor skirts were removed (that is correctly modeled), but logs were added in side upper superstructure in every StuG. I remember that it was intended to be modeled, but maybe CD-got too small to implement all in current relese? (Like IS-3, StuG-IV, BT-42, whose modeling is missing) Also Finns bought ~30 StuG-III late (with saukopfmantle). They arrived in time, but they never see the action against russians. (Neither did Pz-IV) But machine gun is nro 1 needed in StuG's. Then hopefully logs someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanachai Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Originally posted by Prinz Eugen: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Seanachai: Can't turn around anywhere without falling over one of them talking about how their relatives did for the Russians, or the Germans, or any Forum member who gave them a hard time...Well, if you consider the circumstances - a small nation beat the Soviets (yes, the ones that ended up in Berlin ) , thus securing our independence ( and survival ), then wonder no more about why the concept of überFinns is so dear to us...</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Determinant Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Originally posted by arzi: Then hopefully logs someday.Are you guys the Ewoks in Star Wars? I thought that those Imperial Star Walkers really rocked until you guys showed 'em. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Originally posted by Seanachai: How bizarre it is that the Finns can enjoy a good joke, heft a glass, sing a song, brood on their wrongs, kill people at the drop of a hat, and spend every waking moment wondering what they could do to destroy their enemies? You buggers are just like the Irish. Yeah, we are. Except those buggers really can't drink like real men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wehr Posted October 13, 2002 Author Share Posted October 13, 2002 LOL, this was meant to find out what's going on with the lack of schrecks and the ability for finns to fight the germans in the lapland war. IMO if you guys have questions about this subject go to www.winterwar.com or do a search at google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Originally posted by arzi: Also StuG-III's had the machine gun in roof. Now it has nothing for close defence. And the availability is all wrong too. The BFC made a boo-boo and picked the totally wrong model (early instead of late early) for the Finns. BTW: how about those 50mm mortars ? I have a source (Jatkosodan taistelut) which states there were a grand total of 0 50mm mortars in the Finnish infantry division OOB in 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmo Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Finnish Pz-IV tanks were Pz-IVJ, not the PzIVH as the game claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Originally posted by Osmo: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Finnish Pz-IV tanks were Pz-IVJ, not the PzIVH as the game claims? I'm under the impression they were J's. A bit annoying these little mistakes, aren't they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Yep, PZ IV Js, and Stugs had DT MG, it's clearly shown in parade pic dated early summer 1944. Cheers, M.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Im quite sure finnish PzKpfw IVjs were never used in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Arzi, atleast 15 Stug IIIg late with saukopf saw action in finnish armed forces. Thick concrete reinforcements at front hull and saukopf mantlet, DT machinegun, Storage box and Spare roadwheel racks. Here good reference to get late finnish Sturm with saukopf right: http://204.50.25.179/features00/sturmi2.html And here some pics of early finnish stug: http://www.geocities.com/~fi1877/ps531008.html [ October 14, 2002, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: illo ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardaukar Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Originally posted by illo: Im quite sure finnish PzKpfw IVjs were never used in combat.True. Cheers, M.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 I don't think that any of these people are actual forum members. I think Tero has created 45 extra usernames and passwords and argues with himself to give the impression that the Finnish contingent here is vibrant and full of wise things to tell people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Köhler Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Originally posted by Soddball: I don't think that any of these people are actual forum members. I think Tero has created 45 extra usernames and passwords and argues with himself to give the impression that the Finnish contingent here is vibrant and full of wise things to tell people.Hehe... You are one PARANOID individual :eek: :eek: :eek: Scary stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 The Finns will get Panzerfausts in the v1.01 patch. It was a bug. They actually DO get "assigned" them currently after June 44 but a recently discovered bug kept them from ever showing up. Finns already have 'Schreck teams listed in the editor. Madmatt [ October 14, 2002, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Madmatt ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Matt, will we get this too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illo Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Here is very nice refenrence article on finnish Stug IIIg. http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/sturmireferencebg_1.html First batch Stug IIIg, 30 delievered (mid 1943) Second batch Stug IIIg, 29 delievered (mid 1944) The first fifteen (of second batch) were shipped from Danzig around the beginning of July 1944 and due to their late arrival, these Sturmis were rushed into action with few, if any, modifications. [ October 14, 2002, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: illo ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-E Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 You guys should lighten up on the Finns... any nation that can fight with logs and take out Imperial Walkers has earned some bragging rights! [ October 14, 2002, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: -E ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcpl Winqvist Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 There are also few, but really really small and annoying (at least to me) mistakes in the Finnish Infantry. For example, mostly Finnish Infantry is still using Lahti-Saloranta LMGs in the 1943-44. There are also DP27 LMGs in use, but it's too few! During the Contutiation war, the Finnish made Lahti-Saloranta were almost completely withdrawn from front-line duties, and replaced by captured Russian DP27 LMGs because it's much more reliable and packs more firepower (DP27 47 rounds clip against L-S26 20 rounds...) We even manufactuerd here in Finland spare parts and extra magazines to russian DPs. About the figures, something like the 90% of the front-line units LMGs were russian DP26s. As the Veterans say, the biggest supplier of Finnish army was the red army... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Originally posted by illo: Im quite sure finnish PzKpfw IVjs were never used in combat. True. AFAIK they were used against the Germans in the North. But having them around is a nice bonus, given the fact the Soviets might be fielding captured Panthers and who knows what ahistorical gamey stuff againts the überFinnish army... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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