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Howard said...

"If Einstein loved to shoot people in the weekends would that revoke his license as a genius? No I think not."

True. However, if Albert chose to WRITE about his weekend exploits I dare say any of us would refer to that work as genius/brilliant/etc.

Hakkio said it best - magnum opus. MK is a mixed-up load of psychotic gobbledy-gook which is only "important" because of the lasting (negative) effect its "author" had on history. Content should be excluded from any rational discussion of this treatise's worth. It contributes nothing.

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FWIW,

The bavarian Staatskanzlei holds the Copyright for Hitlers "Mein Kampf", since the "Freistaat Bayern" is the political successor of the former publisher of this book.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The bavarian Staatskanzlei holds the Copyright for Hitlers "Mein Kampf", since the "Freistaat Bayern" is the political successor of the former publisher of this book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, if they hold the copyright, I don't see how Hitler's relatives could get any royalties from the book. Well, I guess you can always try...

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To go back to the Yahoo Auction of "Nazi memorabilia", you have to take in account that it is illegal to sell AND buy such material in France and IIRC in Germany also.

Considering the mass destruction caused by this regime (to say the least), Europe is more on the "we do not want to forget " mood than the "we collect nazi stuff" mood.

As to follow the "american way of life",we tend to sue more and more using every existing law.

So to summarize there is a law, there is a plaintif and therefore a trial to enforce the law and forbid french people to have access to these materials.

Unfortunately, Yahoo told the judge that it was technically impossible so we are now bound to an expert debate on this matter. In the meantime, the plaintif, in order to motivate Yahoo engineers asked for a total ban of these objects... (I wonder if the judge agrees how they could enforce such a decision)

Sure they are crossing the way to your first amendment and freedom of speech. But living on the other side of the pond, I do not understand what is the interest of buying a Zyklon B container... (comments edited)

We do not forgot that you

1/ gave us a hand in WW1

2/ saved our butt in WW2, but we have also to thank the British (and that hurts for a french to say) wink.gif

but this kind of law allows us to fight sick heads who pretend that extermination camps never ever existed and that my friends is utterly important.

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I read the first few chapters of MK, waiting for some kind of supporting argument or ecidence to back up his views. Then I gave up. It's just one unsubtantiated claim after another, with a lot of sweeping generalisations thrown in. It's not literature; it's not analysis; it certainly isn't science; it's not even good journalism. Its only value is its historical relevance. The 1916 Proclamation has historical relevance too, but that doesn't make it a work of art. smile.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>So, if they hold the copyright, I don't see how Hitler's relatives could get any royalties from the book. Well, I guess you can always try...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I don´t know the exact regulations for the USA and the UK but contrary to some peoples common belief Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf may be out of copyright the contrary is the case. There has been some discussion in spring of this year because a czech publisher printed a translated issue of MK.

http://www.ce-review.org/00/12/culik12.html

In several cases the German authorities have pointed out that the state of Bavaria holds the copyright for Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf for all countries of the world except the United Kingdom and the United States and it has recently used these rights to prevent publication of the work in several countries. Bavaria has managed to prevent the publication of Mein Kampf in Sweden, in Croatia and in Turkey. In some cases, according to information from the Bavarian Finance Ministry, the Bavarian authorities have forced the publisher to pulp the printed book.

Even in the Czech case, said the spokesperson of the Bavarian Finance Ministry, Bavaria would do its utmost to prevent the dissemination of Mein Kampf in Czech.

[End of Quote]

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  • 11 months later...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bad Ju Ju:

Balls indeed, and for how much money? It's not like Hitler's ego manifesto has been featured recently on Oprah's book club. Anyone know how many copies have been sold, following the war?

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Infact Mein Kampf is the third bestselling book in history...the Bible is first..but sales blew in the 30s and went higher in the 50s-60s

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Guest Babra

I thought "Germany and the Next War" by General Friederich von Bernhardi (pub. 1910) was a better work. If I were HIS relatives, I'd sue the Hitlers or the Bavarian Staatskanzlei for plagiarism!

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rexford:

Didn't Hitler change his name to that from something else?

Shicklegrubber or something like that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hitler's family name was Schiklegruber. Many of his relatives changed their name to Hitler during the NAZI years anc changed back to Scgiklegruber afterwards.

Hitler's relative wont get a dime for two reasons. The first is that works created by or for the NAZI party cannot be used for profit unless the money is first paid into the fund, administered by the UN, which pays back slave laborers and holocaust victims of the National Socialists. If you read William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Hitler was paid to write Mein Kampf by the NAZI party (which he controlled). While Hitler was nowhere near as crooked as Goering in his dealings with the party, he did not shirk from making sure that all of his labor, even his time in prison, was paid for by the party. Since he was paid in this manner, his work falls under the title of the US copyright code as "Works for Hire". The NAZI party owns the work, the family may get some money on the side as royalties (his contract did include a smallish royalty in addition to his "salary") but the bulk is lost to pay the outstanding judgements against the NAZI party, which are still out there and valid.

Next, recognized copyright law of the 1930s gave an author protection of his work for lifetime + 30 years with ability to recover anytime in that period for back monies but no ability to recover past that time. That means his family needed to apply for royalties before 1975 to have a chance at back royalties. Of course the copyright laws are more liberal now, and will soon become downright draconian if Corbis and Microsoft get the new copyright laws enacted (changing life of author + 50 as it is now to life of corporation + 50, allowing acquired copyright on older works if the original is owned, setting aside right of fair comment without paying royalties), which may present a copyright loophole to duck through for these people, but I doubt seriously these clods will get anywhere with this in the US courts. Maybe European copyright laws are different, but no US based corporation will pay out money on a silly claim such as this.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rexford:

Didn't Hitler change his name to that from something else?

Shicklegrubber or something like that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Close. Schickelgruber. Goering says in an extremely funny way in one of them Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Edit: BTW, I don't know if it's true though (Hitler changing his name, that is)

[ 07-21-2001: Message edited by: Juju ]

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I can't vouch for the legitimacy of the story, but if Hilter's "blood relatives" do want to put their hand up and cash in on receiving royalties for MK, then perhaps they too should put their hand up and pay compensation to Poland, Holland, France, Russia, the Jews etc etc for all the death and destruction their "blood relative" masterminded.

Perhaps with the royalties they can receive from MK, they can pay for his other great "masterpiece" (of human misery) that he inflicted on the world.

Surely that's why they would want the royalties, don't you think? :rolleyes:

Lt Bull

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Lt. Bull, I was thinking about the same thing. Any compensation should first go to the peoples he destroyed.

But besides, this sounds more like a joke than reality. I only know of one sibling of Hitler's and he had a sister (maybe it was a half sister; can't remember my history right now). Think her name was Hannah or something and she too was Austrian. About 5-10 years older than he.

I had to read Mein Kampf in high school government class (along with the Communist Manifesto) and remember as being a master joke with so many fragmented thoughts it was actually hard to keep up with. Funny thing, you'd think the good folks in Germany would have actually read that thing, they'd would have known what was in store for them. I guess it's kinda like that everywhere...people don't like to do their own research, just have it spoon fed to them.

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As far as I know NAZI Germany still has World Court judgements against it by all of the major beligerant countries. Federal Germany in fact continues to pay Isreal a small honorarium to discharge its responsibility for the holocaust, something they have been doing without complaint even after the major powers (aside from Russia) renounced major reparations in the 1950s.

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Regarding Hitler's family name, his father, Alois, at age 40 in 1876 "unoficially changed his surname to Hitler [from Schicklgruber]. So Hitler was Adolf's legal surname from birth [in 1889]...." I don't quite see how unofficial became official for the child, but I don't know 19th century Austrian law either smile.gif

(Quote from Dr. Bruce F. Pauley's Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini: Totalitarianism in the Twentieth Century)

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gremlin:

Regarding Hitler's family name, his father, Alois, at age 40 in 1876 "unoficially changed his surname to Hitler [from Schicklgruber]. So Hitler was Adolf's legal surname from birth [in 1889]...." I don't quite see how unofficial became official for the child, but I don't know 19th century Austrian law either smile.gif

(Quote from Dr. Bruce F. Pauley's Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini: Totalitarianism in the Twentieth Century)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Taken from Shirer: Hitler make the change legal when he joined the Army, or else he would have been listed as Schiklegruber by the Austrohungarian military.

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