Erwin Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Sequoia said: You mean the guy who back stabbed the Kurds? That was bad. But, predictable. The Kurds have never had leverage - other than when they were our allies of course. A related bad example is the fact we are still pals with the Saudis? Realpolitiks baby... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjuna.R Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) I've seen blogs and videos and have come to the conclusion, that amidst the usual jockeying for position up there (building roads, airfields etc), some individual commanders went rogue and settled personal scores. It is not unusual for Indian and Chinese soldiers to engage in a little hand-to-hand combat from time to time on patrol, this time it was unusually deadly. The border is not well-defined or agreed upon, so this is bound to happen. The tone of most experts I've read/watched is that this isn't too much to worry about. e.g. Indian side is used to patrolling up to this particular rock and consider it ours. Turns out the Chinese think the rock is theirs. If opposing patrols ever happen to be at that rock at the same time its bound to lead to some confusion to put it lightly Edited June 20, 2020 by Arjuna.R 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Erwin said: That was bad. But, predictable. The Kurds have never had leverage - other than when they were our allies of course. A related bad example is the fact we are still pals with the Saudis? Realpolitiks baby... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik When I look at US foreign policy under the last three presidents, to me it seems more like basic incompetence than any realpolitik. The US seems incapable of setting a goal and working long-term to achieve it. You've lost so much credibility - from both friends and enemies - and accomplished so little. And just for the record, I am not anti-american. Bush: Showed the world that the US military is not invincible. It can invade a country but cannot win an occupation that turns into a terror war by proxy. Calling allies to war based on a lie about weapons of mass destruction is a card you can only play once. Obama: Showed that US "red lines" mean nothing. International rules of war - such as using chemical weapons - can be broken with impunity. Trump: Completely unpredictable. One moment he hates the North Korean dictator, next moment they're best buddies. Ready to scrap international agreements on arms control and withdraw from organisations such as the WHO that were important instruments of American soft power. Tore up the Iran nuclear deal without presenting any other real plan for how to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. There used to be an international order, and the US was the leader of that order. There were some years where Russia and China tried to fit in, which would mean democratic reforms, free trade, etc. Countries had a choice between accepting democracy and enjoy wealth, or languish in the swamp of socialism. Now, they realise the US has become a paper tiger, and they have also realised that it's possible to have economic growth without democracy. Not through socialism, but through good old autocracy. That's why they have now changed their strategy to be one of subverting the international order. This weakens the US and Europe immensely. Edited June 20, 2020 by Bulletpoint 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZ NZ Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Would Battlefront be able to make a title with China in a war? Or would they be hacked and harassed Not many game companies make games VS China as I think they may make there biggest sales in China so don't want to upset there biggest potential buyer Years ago Playing ARMA3 a Chinese Unit mod Developer was alleged harassed and warnings were put out not to put Chinese weapons in the game This was on the forums of BI for ARMA I think the same happened with ARMA2 Alot of game companies are being restricted and controlled with there content I know a programmer for Robolx games and China had blocked any games relating to zombie apocalypse, anything related to a mass disease, or civil war and unrest. Its very controlling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 hours ago, GAZ NZ said: Would Battlefront be able to make a title with China in a war? Or would they be hacked and harassed Not many game companies make games VS China as I think they may make there biggest sales in China so don't want to upset there biggest potential buyer Years ago Playing ARMA3 a Chinese Unit mod Developer was alleged harassed and warnings were put out not to put Chinese weapons in the game This was on the forums of BI for ARMA I think the same happened with ARMA2 Alot of game companies are being restricted and controlled with there content I know a programmer for Robolx games and China had blocked any games relating to zombie apocalypse, anything related to a mass disease, or civil war and unrest. Its very controlling http://www.chinaembassy.org.nz/eng/sgxx/lxfs/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, GAZ NZ said: Not many game companies make games VS China as I think they may make there biggest sales in China so don't want to upset there biggest potential buyer Same has been going on in the movie industry for some years. It's been noticed how many movies these days have Chinese producers - ie funded by China. As a result, all Asian villains have become either Vietnamese, Korean or Japanese. No (or hardly any) Chinese depicted as villains. The Chinese figured out how the US has been able to promulgate its view of the world through movies and TV, and have been doing same by buying Hollywood. Similar strategy to destroying western industries over the past 30+ years by offering cheap labor to corporations so they move to China. Unfortunately re your link: "This site can’t be reached" Edited June 22, 2020 by Erwin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 t appears that India and China are adhering to a no shooting treaty clause by instead having the soldiers throw stones and bash each other with sticks and such.https://www.sofmag.com/opinion-chinas-undeclared-war-on-india/?fbclid=IwAR3drcp4cRasJiZGrA1J9wiMLcQ6VMP2xoyc4TT_7cbnzi6BUTO0vPKNfzs Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Some of the points: "The conflict between the two nuclear-armed powers reignited last month after 12,000 Chinese troops crossed into Indian territory. In May, China’s People’s Liberation Army invaded the strategic Galwan Valley, located near India’s northern tip, and occupied over 23 square miles of territory.... capture of Galwan river valley provides the PLA strategic domination over positions overlooking India’s Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi (DSDBO) road, which connects Leh to the Karakoram Pass...” "...other commentators ascribe China’s stepped-up predations — on Hong Kong, the Philippines, Japan, Indonesia, South Korea and Australia — to a hope that the world is too distracted by the coronavirus pandemic and the economic devastation it unleashed to bother confronting China, let alone stop it." "China’s artificial islands in the South China Sea — equipped with military bases, naval ports and airfields — pose a strategic threat to neighboring countries. In 2018, China landed nuclear strike-capable bombers on these artificial islands, sending an alarming message to the U.S. and regional powers." “China is in the middle of a significant modernization of its nuclear arsenal. It is developing a so-called nuclear triad for the first time, made up of new land- and sea-based missiles and nuclear-capable aircraft.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53174887 Wonder what'll happen when the river floods.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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