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Hypothetical China-India war is now much less hypothetical

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Wasn't quite sure where to put this, but this seemed like the best place. There have been requests in the past to do China vs India in CMx2, and now, for the first time, I believe, since 1962, the Chinese have invaded India.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/05/chinese-troops-cross-into-india-fortify-positions/?fbclid=IwAR1BNiKP44DSXSCqvcwZP52XGmjsC1wMZV7GprZbTz0LyWBbcJzKw22d8DE

Speaking of the 1962 invasion, an Indian hero emerged from it, and there's a film about him. It's included with Amazon Prime.

https://www.amazon.com/72-Hours-Martyr-Never-Died/dp/B07W9DZXQ3/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=prime+video+war+movies%2C+india&qid=1590502132&refinements=p_n_theme_browse-bin%3A2650381011&rnid=2650362011&s=instant-video&sr=1-2

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John Kettler

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Glad that China's actions are finally getting media attention.  From the story:

"The United States backed India amid recent aggressive actions by the Chinese army. Ambassador Alice Wells, the senior U.S. diplomat for South and Central Asia, called Beijing’s behavior towards India provocative and disturbing. “The flare-ups on the border, I think, are a reminder that Chinese aggression is not always just rhetorical. And so whether it’s on the South China Sea or whether it’s along the border with India we continue to see provocations and disturbing behavior by China that raises questions about how China seeks to use its growing power,” she said on Wednesday."

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They've been having regular pushing, shoving and even thumping each other matches up there for a while now:

Look on the bright side.....If those two 'have it out', that's overpopulation well & truly sorted. ;)

Edited by Sgt.Squarehead

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Seems to me that if incursions occur in multiple locations simultaneously, the Chinese advance, then dig in, this is considerably different from the case where fist fights were as bad as it got.

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John Kettler

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21 hours ago, Erwin said:

Glad that China's actions are finally getting media attention.  From the story:

 whether it’s on the South China Sea or whether it’s along the border with India we continue to see provocations and disturbing behavior by China that raises questions about how China seeks to use its growing power,” she said on Wednesday."

It is curious the way China is acting.  It seems they keep drawing negative attention to themselves.  They were, for decades, arguably on their way to economic dominance over the world.  That dominance in turn would facilitate military, cultural etc. dominance.  Now all the negative attention for dozens of different things.  It looked like all they had to do was stay the economic course. 

They must have their reasons but IMO some of their behavior unnecessarily puts their progress to economic dominance at risk.  Steal technology from the West?  Great idea as long as you are allowed to get away with it.  Technology advances economic dominance.  Makes sense. 

Have a border dispute with India? Why bother?  Are there high value natural resources just across the border?   What's the point?      

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On 5/26/2020 at 5:29 PM, Erwin said:

Glad that China's actions are finally getting media attention.  From the story:

"The United States backed India amid recent aggressive actions by the Chinese army. Ambassador Alice Wells, the senior U.S. diplomat for South and Central Asia, called Beijing’s behavior towards India provocative and disturbing. “The flare-ups on the border, I think, are a reminder that Chinese aggression is not always just rhetorical. And so whether it’s on the South China Sea or whether it’s along the border with India we continue to see provocations and disturbing behavior by China that raises questions about how China seeks to use its growing power,” she said on Wednesday."

Sadly she retired on May 22 - I always looked out for what she had to say for my reporting.  IMHO she knew her stuff and unfortunately for Afghanistan got side lined by that twit 'zero for two' Khalilzad.

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You reckon we're gonna see a repeat of the Najibullah scenario, where the government hold out for a while, or do you think the implosion will be instant once the US & NATO are gone?

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24 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

You reckon we're gonna see a repeat of the Najibullah scenario, where the government hold out for a while, or do you think the implosion will be instant once the US & NATO are gone?

Like Najibullah, it depends on the money methinks.  It had better not implode or things will be a tad cheeky for me next year.

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On 5/27/2020 at 8:11 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Are the merkins building a helipad on the embassy roof yet? 

If not you're probably OK for a bit.

They can afford to put it off for a bit, since building a helipad on the roof pretty much amounts to painting a big white "H" :)

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Several times someone's suggested a 'near future' title to Steve and he's balked at the suggestion, saying BFC has a bad track record of predicting future conflicts and he doesn't want to tempt fate by predicting another war. :P

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CM - Border Wars... Featuring China, Pakistan & India with Football & Cricket fans clashing modules 

"The absence of firearms in the clash dates back to a 1996 agreement between the two sides that guns and explosives be prohibited along the disputed stretch of the border, to deter escalation."

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The image that emerged on Thursday showed crude weapons that appeared to be made from iron rods studded with nails. It was passed to the BBC by a senior Indian military official on the India-China border, who said the weapons had been used by the Chinese.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-53089037

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Reminds me of the old quote that Einstein supposedly said:

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones”

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Looks to me like just another propaganda war. Perhaps the US can send some troops from Germany to India. High time anyway for the Europeans to stand on their own feet again.

Edited by Aragorn2002

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The only reason to send US troops to India would be to confront the Chinese from an adjacent "friendly land base" using India as a sort of unsinkable aircraft carrier in a similar way that Great Britain was used to base US forces.  India is a nuke power so a confrontation with China could be very serious for both. 

In addition the terrain being disputed is mountainous - probably makes Afghanistan look like a "green and pleasant land".  Chinese military and economic expansionist intentions are clearly to breach the protective barrier of the Himalayas so as to intimidate and threaten Asia.  China already has compromised Pakistan and has built and leased a naval base there.  So, in effect India in in danger of being surrounded in the same way that the US felt threatened by Cuba in the 60's.  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/asia/china-india-himalayas-conflict-intl-hnk/index.html

https://nypost.com/2020/06/17/provoking-a-crisis-with-india-chinas-latest-aggression/

China is surely gambling, as did Hitler in the 30's, that the US and other powers do not have the stomach to confront and stop them - especially considering current pandemic as they make illegal land grabs such as the massive theft of the South China Sea in order to grab resources (like oil) that China desperately needs while in addition threatening world trade.   While we may still be seeking evidence as to whether Covid-19 is a biowar attack or merely an accidental release from a Chinese facility, the Chinese are certainly exploiting the pandemic as a distraction/cover for their other expansionist aims whether in Hong Kong, South China Seas or on the border with India and also Bhutan.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/in-bhutan-too-chinese-grab-land/

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/china-eyes-bhutan-as-a-part-of-its-expansionist-strategy.html

https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/trade-war-and-the-south-china-sea/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/heres-why-the-south-china-sea-is-highly-contested.html

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15 hours ago, Erwin said:

The only reason to send US troops to India would be to confront the Chinese from an adjacent "friendly land base" using India as a sort of unsinkable aircraft carrier in a similar way that Great Britain was used to base US forces.  India is a nuke power so a confrontation with China could be very serious for both. 

In addition the terrain being disputed is mountainous - probably makes Afghanistan look like a "green and pleasant land".  Chinese military and economic expansionist intentions are clearly to breach the protective barrier of the Himalayas so as to intimidate and threaten Asia.  China already has compromised Pakistan and has built and leased a naval base there.  So, in effect India in in danger of being surrounded in the same way that the US felt threatened by Cuba in the 60's.  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/asia/china-india-himalayas-conflict-intl-hnk/index.html

https://nypost.com/2020/06/17/provoking-a-crisis-with-india-chinas-latest-aggression/

China is surely gambling, as did Hitler in the 30's, that the US and other powers do not have the stomach to confront and stop them - especially considering current pandemic as they make illegal land grabs such as the massive theft of the South China Sea in order to grab resources (like oil) that China desperately needs while in addition threatening world trade.   While we may still be seeking evidence as to whether Covid-19 is a biowar attack or merely an accidental release from a Chinese facility, the Chinese are certainly exploiting the pandemic as a distraction/cover for their other expansionist aims whether in Hong Kong, South China Seas or on the border with India and also Bhutan.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/in-bhutan-too-chinese-grab-land/

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/china-eyes-bhutan-as-a-part-of-its-expansionist-strategy.html

https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/trade-war-and-the-south-china-sea/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/heres-why-the-south-china-sea-is-highly-contested.html

There are certainly parallels with the 30's, but I see different ones than you do. For example an extremely dangerous American president who's only interested in money and trade and hasn't got a clue about what's really going on, the Russians trying to destabilize other countries in order to make advantage of the confusion, the Chinese forced into a confrontation because they are becoming too powerful and too successful and last but not least a weak and divided Europe, that needs to understand they are on their own in a world gone completly ballistic. 

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The Chinese are demonstrating that they are interested in world domination via trade and military intimidation.  Western leaders apart from the one you don't like are doing a good impression of Neville Chamberlain.  It's illuminating to remember history and how much people hated and despised leaders like Churchill in the 30's, but who subsequently were proven right.

 

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1 hour ago, Erwin said:

The Chinese are demonstrating that they are interested in world domination via trade and military intimidation.  Western leaders apart from the one you don't like are doing a good impression of Neville Chamberlain.  It's illuminating to remember history and how much people hated and despised leaders like Churchill in the 30's, but who subsequently were proven right.

 

Chamberlain did more to prepare Britain for war than Churchill and was far from the fool history made him. Churchill on the other hand was a bankrupt and corrupt war mongerer, who indeed wrote his own history, as he himself predicted. He was despised by many with good reasons.

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13 minutes ago, Sequoia said:

You mean the guy who back stabbed the Kurds?

He does. Glad to hear I'm not the only who sees it that way. Pretty disgusting, even for his (the guy) standards.

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