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I'm not seeing anything that sticks out as being something that could interfere. What USB devices do you have plugged in ?

It turns out that Defender Anti-virus DOES have active protection (compared to previous versions of Windows Defender that only performed scans), so adding an exception within that might be helpful. Supposedly you should get notified when it blocks something, but that doesn't always seem to happen with a number of security programs. You can also temporarily disable it with these instructions.

There is an instance of 'msiexec.exe' running, which suggest that something is installing. Does this still appear after a reboot ? There was also an executable/service that was running that involves 'app virtualization' (AppVshNotify.exe), but it appears that it is associated with MS Office.

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I have 3 items: a Toshiba BU HD, mouse and keyboard.

Here's the file after a reboot:

Process    CPU    Private Bytes    Working Set    PID    Description    Company Name
Registry        6,668 K    29,980 K    168        
System Idle Process    97.59    60 K    8 K    0        
System    0.05    196 K    880 K    4        
 Interrupts    0.40    0 K    0 K    n/a    Hardware Interrupts and DPCs    
 smss.exe        1,156 K    1,224 K    492        
 Memory Compression        152 K    11,584 K    2156        
csrss.exe        1,972 K    5,452 K    688        
wininit.exe        1,744 K    6,660 K    780        
 services.exe        5,472 K    10,096 K    852        
  svchost.exe        904 K    3,692 K    136    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe    < 0.01    10,816 K    27,096 K    528    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
   WmiPrvSE.exe        10,816 K    19,304 K    5008        
   WmiPrvSE.exe    < 0.01    2,648 K    9,004 K    7664        
   dllhost.exe        3,320 K    10,816 K    2232        
   StartMenuExperienceHost.exe        41,384 K    76,124 K    5572        
   RuntimeBroker.exe        4,220 K    23,428 K    6056    Runtime Broker    Microsoft Corporation
   SearchUI.exe    Suspended    70,612 K    118,020 K    5040    Search and Cortana application    Microsoft Corporation
   RuntimeBroker.exe        2,132 K    7,840 K    5600    Runtime Broker    Microsoft Corporation
   SettingSyncHost.exe        9,104 K    38,656 K    7620    Host Process for Setting Synchronization    Microsoft Corporation
   dllhost.exe        1,680 K    6,732 K    1184    COM Surrogate    Microsoft Corporation
   smartscreen.exe        7,752 K    22,208 K    520    Windows Defender SmartScreen    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        7,160 K    14,984 K    1052    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,072 K    8,496 K    1108    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,656 K    5,800 K    1356    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        7,196 K    15,440 K    1392    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
   GoogleUpdate.exe        2,292 K    1,984 K    1288        
   taskhostw.exe        5,232 K    14,244 K    4792    Host Process for Windows Tasks    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,560 K    10,056 K    1400    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,280 K    12,308 K    1408    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,168 K    8,288 K    1420    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,960 K    9,856 K    1560    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
   sihost.exe        5,812 K    24,760 K    1472    Shell Infrastructure Host    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,764 K    5,808 K    1624    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        16,732 K    19,764 K    1780    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,508 K    10,664 K    1816    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,624 K    6,936 K    1856    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        5,392 K    9,148 K    1908    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  NVDisplay.Container.exe        5,108 K    16,392 K    1940    NVIDIA Container    NVIDIA Corporation
   NVDisplay.Container.exe    < 0.01    31,468 K    53,832 K    6188        
  svchost.exe        2,316 K    7,228 K    1960    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,316 K    5,348 K    1128    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe    < 0.01    2,612 K    12,464 K    1168    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        4,852 K    12,408 K    1216    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,116 K    7,348 K    1348    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,296 K    8,268 K    2064    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,308 K    9,132 K    2132    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,040 K    7,472 K    2208    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,724 K    6,416 K    2216    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,016 K    8,540 K    2328    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,124 K    7,176 K    2456    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,472 K    8,868 K    2620    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,740 K    6,064 K    2680    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,680 K    9,312 K    2684    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,208 K    14,392 K    2808    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        4,848 K    15,708 K    2844    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  spoolsv.exe        6,840 K    19,184 K    2972    Spooler SubSystem App    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        10,824 K    19,512 K    3024    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,168 K    7,552 K    2720    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        4,388 K    13,444 K    3320    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,560 K    6,148 K    3336    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
   dasHost.exe        8,692 K    19,540 K    3888        
  svchost.exe    < 0.01    9,296 K    18,688 K    3344    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        11,232 K    19,672 K    3352    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        16,924 K    30,496 K    3360    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  IPROSetMonitor.exe        2,564 K    9,860 K    3368    Intel® PROSet Monitoring Service    Intel Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,564 K    6,072 K    3376    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  armsvc.exe        1,344 K    6,412 K    3384    Adobe Acrobat Update Service    Adobe Systems
  svchost.exe        5,300 K    20,936 K    3392    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,344 K    5,276 K    3396    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,020 K    7,824 K    3408    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  RtkAudUService64.exe        2,336 K    8,848 K    3440    Realtek HD Audio Universal Service    Realtek Semiconductor
  nvcontainer.exe    0.01    14,520 K    38,224 K    3476    NVIDIA Container    NVIDIA Corporation
   nvcontainer.exe        8,472 K    23,848 K    7940    NVIDIA Container    NVIDIA Corporation
  MsMpEng.exe    0.01    203,140 K    197,296 K    3560    Antimalware Service Executable    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,624 K    5,824 K    3760    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,060 K    10,964 K    3812    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,944 K    12,332 K    3956    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,388 K    11,508 K    4036    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        8,956 K    17,228 K    4972    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,928 K    8,900 K    3264    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        4,136 K    21,636 K    5244    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,876 K    7,400 K    5272    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
   ctfmon.exe        3,560 K    13,596 K    3652        
  svchost.exe        4,688 K    14,064 K    6268    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  NisSrv.exe        4,852 K    9,852 K    6656    Microsoft Network Realtime Inspection Service    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        5,632 K    19,264 K    6784    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe    0.02    8,080 K    18,864 K    6948    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        4,404 K    18,364 K    7232    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,092 K    11,516 K    7256    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,612 K    6,644 K    10068    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,008 K    9,456 K    10140    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  SecurityHealthService.exe        5,344 K    16,652 K    9636    Windows Security Health Service    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,064 K    10,840 K    9568    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        4,540 K    15,176 K    11116    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,180 K    9,820 K    3908    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,600 K    5,380 K    10380    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  jhi_service.exe        1,304 K    6,392 K    1196    Intel(R) Dynamic Application Loader Host Interface    Intel Corporation
  LMS.exe        3,584 K    13,188 K    10400    Intel(R) Local Management Service    Intel Corporation
  SgrmBroker.exe        3,104 K    5,668 K    9512    System Guard Runtime Monitor Broker Service    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,744 K    9,220 K    10688    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,716 K    10,336 K    11084    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,068 K    7,160 K    9416    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,280 K    8,952 K    3132    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,540 K    6,448 K    7028    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  WUDFHost.exe        1,932 K    8,220 K    9792        
  svchost.exe    < 0.01    12,548 K    26,124 K    6200    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,728 K    7,156 K    10856    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        2,608 K    10,904 K    2540    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  OfficeClickToRun.exe    < 0.01    40,240 K    65,180 K    1868    Microsoft Office Click-to-Run (SxS)    Microsoft Corporation
   AppVShNotify.exe        1,736 K    7,424 K    9056        
  SearchIndexer.exe    < 0.01    20,288 K    22,324 K    192    Microsoft Windows Search Indexer    Microsoft Corporation
   SearchProtocolHost.exe        2,584 K    12,440 K    4424        
   SearchFilterHost.exe        1,992 K    8,500 K    7588        
  svchost.exe        4,992 K    17,028 K    3712    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,772 K    11,804 K    1764    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,516 K    7,256 K    3992    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        6,972 K    31,252 K    3676    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        6,420 K    28,692 K    7140    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,264 K    17,620 K    4656    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,748 K    7,232 K    3492    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        1,276 K    5,488 K    1836    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
  svchost.exe        3,132 K    12,452 K    3804    Host Process for Windows Services    Microsoft Corporation
 lsass.exe        8,060 K    18,300 K    872    Local Security Authority Process    Microsoft Corporation
 fontdrvhost.exe        1,380 K    3,128 K    568        
csrss.exe    0.40    2,256 K    5,000 K    6824        
winlogon.exe        2,896 K    9,960 K    4704        
 fontdrvhost.exe        1,524 K    3,888 K    6000        
 dwm.exe    0.65    51,812 K    57,684 K    4868        
explorer.exe    < 0.01    74,052 K    134,100 K    6704    Windows Explorer    Microsoft Corporation
 StartMenu.exe        2,828 K    11,996 K    1036    Open-Shell Menu    Open-Shell
 SecurityHealthSystray.exe        1,756 K    8,644 K    804    Windows Security notification icon    Microsoft Corporation
 procexp64.exe    0.85    33,596 K    65,464 K    9560    Sysinternals Process Explorer    Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com
NVIDIA Web Helper.exe    < 0.01    35,976 K    53,964 K    11156    NVIDIA Web Helper Service    Node.js
 conhost.exe        6,516 K    11,048 K    5848    Console Window Host    Microsoft Corporation

 

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Re disabling Windows Defender.  Which option are you recommending?  

 

Option One: To Turn Off Windows Defender Real-time Protection in Windows Security

  • Option Two: To Turn On Windows Defender Real-time Protection in Windows Security
  • Option Three: To Turn On or Off Windows Defender Real-time Protection in PowerShell
  • Option Four: To Turn On or Off Windows Defender Real-time Protection in Command Prompt
  • Option Five: To Enable or Disable Windows Defender Real-time Protection in Group Policy
  • Option Six: To Enable or Disable Windows Defender Real-time Protection using a REG file

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In my experience it does.....Hence my recommendation on the first page.

I recommend creating a folder within your chosen program drive (D: for me), named something like CM Installs, then install everything to that location and create an exception for the whole folder in Windows Defender (it's what I've done and everything works for me).

You may need to make a similar exception in any other AV software you are running.

PS - @Schrullenhaft  Would you have any idea how to minimise 'Out Of Memory Errors' in CM:A or CM:SF1 with Win10?  If so could you PM please, so as not to derail @Erwin's thread again.  ;)

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2 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

I recommend creating a folder within your chosen program drive (D: for me)

I install all games and sims to a folder called C:\SIMS.  I have C and a D HD's, but programs go in C while D is used for data storage (MY DOCS, unused or downloaded mods for example).

 

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Set up an exclusion for that whole folder.....Open defender, navigate to 'Virus & threat protection settings', scroll down and select 'Exclusions'.

That's the only extra thing I've done and all the games work fine for me (barring irritating out of memory errors in CM:A).

PS - If you have a subfolder within C:\SIMS for CM, you could set up the exclusion for that instead.

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Turn off antivirus protection in Windows Security

Turn Microsoft Defender Firewall on or off

Using the above linked instructions I turned both Defender and Win Sec antivirus off.  The games still won’t run.  Also, the Apps were not seen running in Task manager.  

The same games run fine on my Win 10 laptop that I have had for about 3 years.  So, not sure if there is something different in the Win version(s) I have in this 2020 machine.

Would a Network on the new machine be problem?

Do I have to re-download and re-install the software while Defender and Antivirus are off?

 

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I doubt you would have to re-download the installers. If they were corrupt, then they would either not run, crash during installation or possibly give you an error about the files being copied/installed.

Reinstalling with the Antivirus off may help, though I'm not sure what would get blocked during installation. Some security programs interfere so much that you need to turn them off or the installs don't go right. I wouldn't have suspected that of the MS Defender, but maybe that is an issue now.

I wouldn't assume that a 'network' would be an issue. As long as you're logging in with administrative-level permissions on your account for both the network login and the local permission level.

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Have you opened a Help Desk ticket yet? There are all sorts of things that could be going on that haven't been mentioned here yet. What kind of video card do you have? I'd like to see screenshots of the contents of the game's Data folder to see if everything that should be in there is in there.

 

Regarding the Activate New Products utility having a desktop shortcut. Only CMFI and CMSF2 have them....going forward I hope they all will at some point. It was a special request of mine when we were working on Rome to Victory. Not everyone understands the sentence "the activation utility is in the game's main directory" but everyone understands "the activation utility is on the desktop" 🙂 

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FWIW from my IT guy:

I personally think, that you have these issues because your new system is ‘so new and up to date’.

The software guys need some more time to adapt their software to make it work.  Eventually that will happen … but I’m afraid, that by then, you’ll already think about a new computer :)

And maybe the latest Windows 10 Version ( 20H1/2004 released today!) will help.  It might take a few days, until it’s pushed by Microsoft to your computer though.

But on the other hand … the software guys will have to adapt to that too :)

So, could this all be an issue with the new version(s) of Win 10?  ie:  You'll be hearing about more of these issues as others get new machines and/or new Win versions??

Re my specs:

 

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Xi® MTower™ PCIe Workstation (Base Configuration)

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Intel® Core™ i9-9900KF 3.6/5.0GHz-1C Turbo Boost-Hi-Perf. Liquid Cooled Single Fan-16MB Shared L3 Cache DMI3 Eight-Core 9th Gen.14nm (Req. Z390 Motherboard)

02343

32GB DDR4 SDRAM @ 3000MHz w/High Performance Aluminum Heat Spreader

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NVIDIA® GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER™ 8GB GDDR6-2560 CUDA Cores-HDMI 2.0b/DisplayPort 1.4-VirtualLink-Multi-monitor supp. Specific upgrades required. No DP/DVI Adapter included

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No Monitor (credit)

03254

1TB Solid State Drive Samsung® 860 EVO™ 2.5 SATA 6Gb/s 550/520MB/s Seq.R/W Shock Resistant 1500G.

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Optional 1TB Solid State Drive Samsung® 860 EVO™ 2.5 SATA 6Gb/s 550/520MB/s Seq.R/W <.3ms seek Shock Resistant 1500G.

17012

On-Board SATA controller - accordingly to motherboard specifications

06061

DVD+RW/DL/+R-R/CD-RW Double Media 4.7/8.5GB 18x Drive w/o SW

41031

No 2nd Optical Drive Selected

09007

On-Board Sound or accordingly to motherboard specifications

10001

No External Speakers option

12001

On-Board Ethernet LAN Port(s) accordingly to Motherboard specifications

13017

No Keyboard

14001

No Mouse

16118

Genuine Microsoft® Windows® 10 Professional 64-bit Fully installed, configured and updated, includes original DVD media and COA

21084

Genuine Microsoft® Office Home and Business 2019 Edition PKC License Key Distribution included (Download & Installation is required by End User)

35025

Mouse Pad & Balsa Glider w/ Xi logo. (Assorted, design may vary)

35028

Google® Chrome® for Windows - The fast, free browser, that's built for the modern web.

35029

Mozilla® Firefox® for Windows - A free web browser created by a global non-profit dedicated to putting individuals in control online.

35030

Adobe® Acrobat Reader® for Windows - More powerful than other PDF software, Adobe Acrobat Reader DC is the free, trusted standard for viewing, printing, and annotating PDFs.

35031

Microsoft® Windows Defender Antivirus – A built-in antivirus helps guard your PC against viruses, malware, and other malicious software and downloads (Included with Windows 10 by default)

35032

NVIDIA® GeForce® Experience for GeForce GPU and Windows only – Available only if a GeForce video card is present in the selected computer.

20276

Kingwin® Front Panel USB 3.0 Hub 7-Port External 5.25” Front Bay Accessible SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Type-A & Molex Power-KW525-7U3C

22399

MSI® MPG Z390 GAMING PLUS Intel® Z390 Chipset for 9th Gen CPU-2xPCIe 3.0 x16(x16/x4)-4xPCIe 3.0 x1-DDR4 to 64GB RAM-1xGbE LAN-2xM.2 Slots-6xSATA 6Gb/s RAID 0/1/5/10-HD Audio-2xUSB 3.1-6xUSB 3.x/2.0-DVI-HDMI-ATX M/B

44030

850W Gold Certified 80 Plus Corsair® RM850x Fully-Modular 135mm Thermal control Fan ATX12V/EPS12V 90% efficiency Active PFC PSU

27361

Xi® MTower™ RW TYRFING V2 -2x12cm Fans-Side Window-1xFront USB 3.0-2xUSB 2.0 & Audio-3x3.25" 2x5.25" bays-(Dual fan cooling radiator will take upper 5.25" bay)-Dim.(DxWxH):19.17"x7.87"x18.03"

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@Erwin, fwiw didn't have any problems installing any of the cmx2 games on my win10 machine a while ago, nor with windows defender and afaik I haven't setup any exclusions. I also have two disks, on is fast SSD with windows and some games on it. Other is large SATA disk. I guess the main difference is that I'm an 'IT guy' myself 🙂

One question: why do you install the games in on C:\sims\? I used to do that as well long time ago, but programs are supposed to be installed in the \program files directory and since windows has been more active with security and permissions, that could be one explanation: some sort of under the hood permission violation. 
It's a shot in the dark, but you could just try installing in the usual directory to see if that gives a different result. 

 

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FWIW, I was able to install on a new Win10 (v1909) three month ago in a non-default location (C:/Games/Battlefront/CM*). @Erwinhas mentioned in the past that one of his CM gaming systems was Win10.

There remains the remote possibility that his newer version of Win10 (2004 - May Update) somehow breaks the install. I haven't been following too closely so I may have missed where this was already confirmed to be a non-issue...

Disclaimer: I used to play an "IT guy" both on TV and IRL.

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4 hours ago, Lethaface said:

programs are supposed to be installed in the \program files directory and since windows has been more active with security and permissions, that could be one explanation: some sort of under the hood permission violation. 
It's a shot in the dark, but you could just try installing in the usual directory to see if that gives a different result. 

Was asking about that.  But, my IT guy and Shrullenhaft didn't think that would be an issue.  May try it if all else fails.  The question is how "new" is the latest version of windows and its associated security?  If it's really new - as in a couple of weeks old, then that could be the issue.

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2 hours ago, Howler said:

FWIW, I was able to install on a new Win10 (v1909) three month ago in a non-default location (C:/Games/Battlefront/CM*). @Erwinhas mentioned in the past that one of his CM gaming systems was Win10.

There remains the remote possibility that his newer version of Win10 (2004 - May Update) somehow breaks the install. I haven't been following too closely so I may have missed where this was already confirmed to be a non-issue...

Disclaimer: I used to play an "IT guy" both on TV and IRL.

 

4 minutes ago, Erwin said:

Was asking about that.  But, my IT guy and Shrullenhaft didn't think that would be an issue.  May try it if all else fails.  The question is how "new" is the latest version of windows and its associated security?  If it's really new - as in a couple of weeks old, then that could be the issue.

Yeah it shouldn't be a big problem in theory. But don't know under which user windows is installed, who created the folder, what permissions Erwins user has, etc. With Vista (iirc) I walked into strange problems with the 'virtual store' about similar reasons. Not sure if that's still a thing.

Just checked, the '2004 May update' is actually very new. Windows says my device isn't quite ready for it yet, so I guess MS is still working on drivers etc. Could be a thing, but almost everything could be a thing ;-). Best would be if some logfile somehwere would point in the right direction, but those aren't always in the most obvious places in windows.

Anyway, Schrullenhaft and Elvis will get you sorted probably; they are at least in the best position to do so.

My point was more that in general I would advise to just install things where the OS likes it. That guarantees the most compatibility with OS features, securities, permissions, etc. When you know what you are doing, you can do it of course do all kinds of stuff but in general I'd say just stick to the script. 

And indeed that sounds like an interesting story! :)

 

 

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As far as I'm aware Erwin is running Windows 10 v.1909. The v. 2004 update is out and this is the "known issues" list, which is dominated with driver problems. I don't think any of them apply here to Erwin's situation; the closest being the Nvidia driver problem, but he can't be using the v. 358 Nvidia driver with his GeForce 2070 Super (too old to recognize/work with that new of a videocard). He isn't using a laptop to my knowledge, so the Intel video driver issue of v. 2004 also shouldn't be an issue (if he were using a laptop with both integrated Intel and dedicated video).

I did an install to a 'non-standard' directory like Erwin and everything worked fine on the system I tried it out with (in addition to using one of the Start Menu replacement programs he's using). I did have Avast anti-virus installed rather than Windows Defender Anti-virus on this particular computer. As far as I know he is logging in with an 'administrator-level' account and he's added exceptions and/or temporarily disabled the Windows Defender Anti-virus. He's able to activate the license keys, but CMFB (the initial game we were testing) didn't show up in the Task Manager, which would suggest it is either crashing or it is actively being shut down by something (security software). Since this issue doesn't seem to want to solve easily, going with the default installation location would probably be a good idea.

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When I *first* start any CM title - I get a black screen for ~30-40s before the main menu shows. From that point everything is fast (load/play). I put this down to a combination of SSD and Win10. BTW, Task Manager will show the exe to be not responding during that time. Only CMFI will log a 1000 error to Events.

Interestingly enough... quitting and than starting the *same* CM title will have the main menu reappear instantaneously. FWIW, it takes less than 10s for windows to start once the big red button is flipped (aka powered off).

Choosing CMBS, while writing this, shows on first start 25s (of black screen) and exit/restart shows 3s. CMBN tends to be consistently the slowest at closer to 40s. Again, once it's in the cache - all titles are under 5s.

I'm not sure if this can be corrected/improved. I'd posted in the support forum and received no takers which I didn't take personally before moving on to actually playing the games.

Perhaps @Erwinis struck by the same thing? Maybe waiting a minute on first start will work for him?

 

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All the games ran fine on my Win 10 laptop, but have had that for 3 years.

It's disturbing that the games won't run on a brand new vanilla Win 10 machine that has had nothing else loaded except for the latest Win 1O S, MS Office, and CCleaner.  Normally I load free versions of AVG (and Spybot for cookies), but was told that Defender was as good and maybe better re antivirus and firewall so have not (yet) loaded those.

Hope we don't have to wait too long for more folks to buy brand new systems to see if it's a new Win 10 issue.

 

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