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Good effort mate - if I was really picky I could say that you've got some telegraph poles in the wrong places - they show up really well on Google Earth in this area.

The building you have labelled as City Hall is an interesting building - I'd go back to the imagery and have a look at it. 

  • Top imagery analyst tip #1 - click back through the historical imagery and you see it from slightly different angles.
  •  Top imagery analyst tip #2 - look at the shadows.

The railway line is a double track line which I think is an easy fix - you're not constrained by space on the map in the area of the railway.

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Cheers.

Yes I always look at previous satellite images, it is very useful, especially here because you get to see images taken before the war. It is a heap of ruins now for the most part so that definitely helps. Also in winter sometimes it makes it easier to identify some elements : paths might be more visible and with less foliage, it is easier to see the shape and layout of habitations for instance.

Some bits always remain a mystery though and completely puzzle me. In the south-east corner of the map for instance, you can find what appears to be the outlines of large buildings with lots of vegetation around them. I pore over it and think : hmm okay it must be the ruin of a building that must have been shelled. Then I look back at pre-war satellite images and see the same shapes without vegetation. It looks like the foundations of a large building, some sort of warehouse or light industrial building that was never finished. Maybe they went okay let's build this and then changed their mind halfway through it and just went okay nope, you know what, let's not build this thing after all, it is silly.

I put a cemetery there, but that's probably not where it really is. Same thing for the church, I couldn't really find where it is located.

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The city hall building I don't even know what it is for sure. I suppose it is some sort of administration building. It could also be the school actually. Interesting modern architecture. Not sure how to represent it in the editor though. I looked at independent buildings I could perhaps reskin with a modtag but couldn't find one that looked suitable.

 

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Fixed a couple of minor things:

- moved the cemetery

- added a small stream

- fixed the camera position not being set properly at the beginning for red side

- made two small wooded areas on the western side of the map near the stream slightly less dense

 

Future plans:

- make a winter compatible version by adding a modtag and removing all the crops and plowed fields on the map to get rid of the moire effect with the winter textures

- work on Lohvynove/Logvinovo, the small village where the Debaltseve highway was cut off.

 

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17 hours ago, Zveroboy1 said:

Cheers.

Yes I always look at previous satellite images, it is very useful, especially here because you get to see images taken before the war. It is a heap of ruins now for the most part so that definitely helps. Also in winter sometimes it makes it easier to identify some elements : paths might be more visible and with less foliage, it is easier to see the shape and layout of habitations for instance.

Some bits always remain a mystery though and completely puzzle me. In the south-east corner of the map for instance, you can find what appears to be the outlines of large buildings with lots of vegetation around them. I pore over it and think : hmm okay it must be the ruin of a building that must have been shelled. Then I look back at pre-war satellite images and see the same shapes without vegetation. It looks like the foundations of a large building, some sort of warehouse or light industrial building that was never finished. Maybe they went okay let's build this and then changed their mind halfway through it and just went okay nope, you know what, let's not build this thing after all, it is silly.

I put a cemetery there, but that's probably not where it really is. Same thing for the church, I couldn't really find where it is located.

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The city hall building I don't even know what it is for sure. I suppose it is some sort of administration building. It could also be the school actually. Interesting modern architecture. Not sure how to represent it in the editor though. I looked at independent buildings I could perhaps reskin with a modtag but couldn't find one that looked suitable.

 

I was thinking of something like this to capture the shape and height of the building - one of the two options below (all modular buildings):

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I appreciate it isn't perfect because the extensions top and bottom are way bigger than the actual building but it does at least make the building more interesting.  According to Wikimapia it is a community centre.  The church is also shown on Wikimapia and a couple of schools.

The area in the SE corner is interesting - it ain't a cemetery for sure even though there are two large holes in the ground on the eastern side of that area 😉 You're right, it seems to be something that either never got built or got trashed a long time ago. 

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17 hours ago, Zveroboy1 said:

The city hall building I don't even know what it is for sure.

This is so-called "House of culture". Since Soviet times any village or settlement has such type institution, which on rural slang named like "club". "Clubs" were the center of culture and social life %) Movies, dances, meetings, lybrary, sometime different hobby sections. But in many cases "clubs", were a point, where local teens and youth gathered for dances, alcohol drinking and beating each other %). For Nikishyne correct name of this building is "SBK im. Zviagilskoho" (means Village House of Culture named after Zviagilskyi). In the village it's also named like "new club".

"The cementry" in SE is a ruines of soviet time dairy farm - locals in 90th years dismantled buildings into bricks.

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6 hours ago, Combatintman said:

I was thinking of something like this to capture the shape and height of the building - one of the two options below (all modular buildings):

Yes good idea, that could work. I have to see how easily you can move from one of the wings to the main part of the building though. Maybe just remove the inside wall there? Hmm I have to run some tests later.

Right, I forgot to look on Wikimapia. Lots of interesting landmarks are shown. Nice to see I had managed to get a couple of them right like the gas station and the main school.

Here is another cool picture of the community/cultural centre with the world war 2 memorial.

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6 hours ago, Haiduk said:

This is so-called "House of culture". Since Soviet times any village or settlement has such type institution, which on rural slang named like "club". "Clubs" were the center of culture and social life %) Movies, dances, meetings, lybrary, sometime different hobby sections. But in many cases "clubs", were a point, where local teens and youth gathered for dances, alcohol drinking and beating each other %). For Nikishyne correct name of this building is "SBK im. Zviagilskoho" (means Village House of Culture named after Zviagilskyi). In the village it's also named like "new club".

"The cementry" in SE is a ruines of soviet time dairy farm - locals in 90th years dismantled buildings into bricks.

Right I found where the real cemetery is located with yandex map. It is actually on the west side, right below the wooded area and the stream, on the left side of the railroad tracks.

This is very interesting to me Haiduk, thanks. This is not the sort of things you can just guess by looking at a satellite image.

 

 

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Okay here is the last and hopefully final version of Nikishyne.

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I added a winter version, changed the cultural centre building, fixed a bunch of small details all over the place and in particular re-designed tons of interior walls/doors in buildings like the secondary school and the warehouses in the industrial area of the map and elsewhere that were not connected.

There is one small quirk that players should be aware of.

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The map is full of houses like this with a shed attached to a house. Some of them are connected and you can go from one to the other even though you can only see a door in the house, not the shed, but they work both ways. In some cases there is a window and you can shoot from the shed to the house and vice versa. So pay attention. It is on purpose because in some cases you can't have a window just on one side of the house and I didn't like having this particular house with a blind side there and for some other reasons that are too long to explain.

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Here or in the first post, both links point to the same file.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j5vfid5og72t0c7/CMBS map Nikishyne.rar?dl=0

 

 

 

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Cheers. I have to work on Lohvynove next. The map is finished but I hope I can whip out a quick scenario for it. I want to do two of them actually. The separatist attack and the Ukrainian counter-attack to retake it. But it is hard to find good info in english on the topic. The Ukrainian counter-attack I know more or less what happened but the capture of the village is quite nebulous, lots of different versions of the events.

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5 hours ago, Zveroboy1 said:

Cheers. I have to work on Lohvynove next. The map is finished but I hope I can whip out a quick scenario for it. I want to do two of them actually. The separatist attack and the Ukrainian counter-attack to retake it. But it is hard to find good info in english on the topic. The Ukrainian counter-attack I know more or less what happened but the capture of the village is quite nebulous, lots of different versions of the events.

There is no detailed research of battle for Lohvynobe even in Ukrainian sources. Several good articles written by different authots, as well as soldiers memoris, but all they light up only separate episodes. but not all battle in whole. 

There were three clashes around Lohvynove, which was key point for conrol of M103 road - the single proper supply line of Debaltsevo bulge. Initially UKR platoon group. of 30th mech.brigade, positioned on the hill behind the village  gave order to leave own positions for rest. But command of Sector C didn't substitute them and separatists group (recon company, really half-company), which accidently in the same night had the order to assult Lohvynove, has taken the village without any fight. The UKR observation post directly in the village (four troopers of 54th recon battalion) just retreated and left for separs own BRM-1K, which could'nt move. Only close to  11-00 Sector C command turned back that platoon group with order to take back Lohvynove, but they even didn't know where the enemy and what its forces. Separs had time to set AT-mines and bringh ATGMs - they destroyed in ambush almost all UKR armor. Untill this time separs shot out dozens UKR soldiers, which drove by this road - the Sector C command didn't warn own troops that the road already cutted! 

Next attempt was only on next day - there was heavy 120 mm and arty strike on Lohvynove, but this striкe was conducted without any adjustment - all shells hit ground in 200-300 m in front of separs positions, when UKR forces approached they again met heavy resistance and retreated. 

Most heavy fight was on next day - both forces bring more reinforcements. UKR had the company of 79th air-assault brigade, company of National Guard battalion "Donbas",  per one companies of 24th and 30th mech.brigade. They have support of tank platoons of 30th, 92th mech.brigades (T-64BV) anf 1st tank brigades (BM Bulat). To the separs side the tank company of Russian 5th tank brigade has arrived (from Buriatia, T-72B mod.1989). UKR troopers could take the part of village, but all units were entering in the battle on own mind without coordination in different time from diffrent directions. In the early darkness nobody couldn't understand what's going on, where the enemy and where own troops. Further advance failed because separs tanks were shooting from the hills around. Suddenly our tanks have retreated for reloading and in this time Buriatian tankers counter-attacked. Light armor BMP-2 and BTR-80 couldn't resist and  withdrew. On next day there was next attempt and several tank duels "platoon vs. platoon". In one of them UKR crew, turned out one against three, could hit all Russian tanks, evading from their fire between hulls of knoked out vehicles (one Russian tank blew out on own minefield). Next day UKR forces conducted strike with heavy arty and even ballistic missiles Tochka-U, the decisive assault would be started, but Poroshenko canceled operation - they had hope negotiations in Minsk, will dtop the fight and diplomacy agreements will force enemy to withdraw. Naive man... 

So, as you see, without new module there is impossible to make "historiacl battle". 

Destroyed Russian T-72B mod 1989 near Lohvynove and separs T-72B further. Looks like AT-mines work. 

Логвинове 2015

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Thanks Haiduk.

Hmm this is more or less what I thought happened with my amateur research. I have to admit I found it hard to believe such a key location was left almost undefended and at first I thought this might have been a cover up. But the more I thought about it, the more convinced I became that it was probably what really happened. And as every student of military history knows, snafus and ****-ups happen all the time. Obviously that won't make a good scenario just having 4 blokes and an APC defend the position.

My guess is that the probe the separatists launched that night was not the first one of that type and they must have carried out several other probes the previous days before this one stumbled upon the abandoned position. That's probably what I'll try to portray. A typical probe instead of this particular engagement. I am just not sure whether to include any APCs or tanks or make it a pure infantry probe. They probably came from Vulehirsk which is almost 10 km away, so I doubt they made it on foot. I'll have to think about it.

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17 hours ago, Zveroboy1 said:

My guess is that the probe the separatists launched that night was not the first one of that type and they must have carried out several other probes the previous days before this one stumbled upon the abandoned position.

After Vuhlehirsk seizing, enemy attacked platoon strongpoint (ukr. vzvodnyi opornyi punkt - VOP) VOP 17, located on height 231,6 northern from Lozove (controlled by separs) and positions in Kalynivka village. Karapulka river (see Sgt.Squarehead scenario in other topic) between these points was not so suitable for forcing and demanded many reckon probes to investigate good place for crossing. In one day enemy tank tried to cross the river through wooden bridge, but the bridge is collapsed.

Since 2nd to 8th Feb enemy conducted several direct attacks and shellings of our positions, but lost many vehicles and personnel with minimal losses from our side. UKR forces perhaps single time at this war successfully used platoon of 9P149 Shturm-S ATGMs - AT reserve of Sector C, they destroyed 3 tanks (T-64BV and 2 T-72B) and MTLB. Two other T-72B were heavy damaged by their missiles, launched from the range 6 km. 

7th Feb after heavy bombardmnet of Kalynivka with 122 mm artillery, the group of UKR troops (about platoon size) withdrew from the village. VOP 17 was abandoned 13th Feb, but immediately was retaken.

17 hours ago, Zveroboy1 said:

They probably came from Vulehirsk which is almost 10 km away, so I doubt they made it on foot. I'll have to think about it.

Enemy group started from Vuhlehirsk, crossed the ford in unknown place and came on M-103 road in 500 m southern from Lohvynove. The group cosisted of combined force from Russian volunteers from  "DNR Special forces company" (veterans of Rusian army, FSB, special units of police etc - 10 men) and recons of 5th motor-rifle brigade of DNR with armor support - 15 recons on BMP-2 and BTR-80 + 3 tanks. This group initially have an order to search frords near Nyzhnie Lozove village (according of memories of the participator, but looks like he has mistaken and this was Lozove) and recon UKR trops in Lohvynove, but later has receiced an order to support assault of Lohvynove. But because of assault group dindn't came to randezvous point, the assault was put on them. They really drove 12 km in the night, two tanks crews abandoned the group because tankers said their tanks have malfunсtions. 

PS. For your scenario about UKR forces in Lohvynoive on 8th Feb

- positions on the height 287 behing the village: 2 T-64BV+2 BMP-2 with 40 men of 30th mech brigade: full mech.platoon (without one BMP) with some support (1-2 AGS-17 and probably ATGM) 

- around Lohvynove: 4 2S3 SP-howitzers and 2 MTLB + 2 MT-12 AT guns, UAZ, 4 trucks of 128th mountain infantry brigade (according other source 2 2S3 and 1 MTLB with AT-12)

- in Lohvynove: observation post of 54th recon battalion - 4men + 1BRM-1K (immobilized)    

7th Feb enemy artillery shelled positions of 2S3 in Lohvynove and damaged three trucks (2 KAMAZ and GAZ-66).

All these forces, except recons of 54th battalion have left Lohvynove in the night from 8th on 9th of Feb according to order of Sector C command. In At first, own position left platoon group of 30th brigade, and next in 6-00 of morning - the artillery. When arty battery lined up to moving, enemy assault group already shelled Lohvinove with lighting mortar shells. Recons, seeing enemy advance left own immobilized BRM and joined to artillery in withdrawal.

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This is very useful, great info.

Okay so after giving the whole thing a bit more thought, I clearly won't be able to to a historical battle. A recon group versus 4 men left behind with a single immobilized APC simply won't be too fun or interesting. I can't do a hypothetical separatist attack versus a full defence either. It is just an educated guess but I don't see this small group launching a full-on assault against a prepared defence. I think initially it must have been what they call an infiltration-recon-sabotage group whose goal was to probe the defences, maybe lay mines on the road and disrupt traffic etc. And this is what I had in mind when I first started working on the scenario, a small scale action on a large map with a low troop density, plenty of time and a bit of skirmishing.

The fact that there was an assault group that didn't make it, maybe suggests that the separatists knew the defence was weakened and changed their plans at the last minute to take advantage of it.

In any case, the way I see it, I can either beef up the attacking force or reduce the strength of the defenders. I'll probably end up doing a bit of both to make it interesting. Maybe the assault group will be present and the Ukrainian position thinned out a bit but not as much as it was in the real events. I'll do some testing, play the battle once or twice and then post what I have.

 

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1 hour ago, Zveroboy1 said:

And this is what I had in mind when I first started working on the scenario, a small scale action on a large map with a low troop density, plenty of time and a bit of skirmishing.

My thoughts exactly on seeing your beautiful maps.  B)

Balancing them can be tricky though, the more so the smaller the various units are (IMHO).

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True. I mostly like mapping, coming up with scenario ideas and setting up defensive positions. The balancing and victory conditions part it is not my fav part. (obviously)

Quick preview of Lohvynove/Logvinovo. 3500 X 2600 m. There is quite a long approach march.

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And the hybrid Olkhon group ready to attack, mix of DNR GRU, Russian volunteers and low quality separatists troops. Sgt.Squarehead you're going to love this, their soft factors are even worse than the Karapulka scenario. I even added a conscript for fun lol. Well except it will be at dawn, 5 am or so.

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The interesting part is that the heights behind the village are really not that high at all. Much lower than I pictured it in my head before I started mapping it. I don't know if I mapped this correctly, I think I did but it is hard to tell, but you can't see the area west of the road from H 287. So it lets you get pretty close to the village unseen actually.

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10 hours ago, Zveroboy1 said:

Sgt.Squarehead you're going to love this, their soft factors are even worse than the Karapulka scenario. I even added a conscript for fun lol.

So they recruited the village drunk.....Again!  :rolleyes:

I hope they didn't put the blighter in charge this time!  ;)

Look forward to giving it a go.  B)

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I am going to post the first scenario I made about Lohvynove in its own separate thread but here is the full map. I plan on making two scenarios based on it but neither of them will use the full map. Both of them will be slightly cropped.

 

This is a raw map with no units, setup zones or AI plans.

Lohvynove or Logvinovo in Russian.

Located 7 km north of Debaltseve, Donbas, Ukraine. This is the place where the pro-Russian separatists closed the encirclement of the Ukrainian forces in Debaltseve in february 2015. As far as I understand it, the gist of it is that the encirclement was never totally complete however and most of the units involved managed to withdraw, lots of vehicles had to be left behind but the Ukrainian forces in the bulge or pocket managed to escape more or less intact albeit in a lot of confusion, either running the gauntlet on the semi closed main road or using small country roads to escape.

map size : 3472 X 3152 m

type : open/village

Scroll up for a preview of the map. This one is slightly bigger than in the previous picture.

Download :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ngrc9dlf8w2wvl8/CMBS map Logvinovo full raw.rar?dl=0

 

 

 

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Romanivka

 

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30 km north of Donetsk, Donbas Ukraine

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map size : 3500 X 4200 m

It is hard to take a good picture of it because it is so large.

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Included in the download :

  • A  raw version with nothing in it, no setup zones, objectives, AI plans or anything, only landmarks.
  • a redfor and a bluefor attack, both attacking from the south side.

This one is going to be fun for treadheads, people who want to test ATGM's in "real" conditions and also a treat for people who are confused about when it is they need to debus. 😂

I don't know if any fighting took place in this area. I just liked the layout of the terrain and the balka on the east side.

 

I am not entirely sure how useful it is for people to have me include a version of these maps with already set up objectives, be it meeting engagements or attacks. This is probably too large for a PBEM. There is no AI plans so these are probably only good if you want to set up a defence yourself and then attack it against the AI or even in hotseat mode to test various force compositions or tactics.

Download :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/36kzi4vmq0fjb8s/CMBS map Romanivka.rar?dl=0

 

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45 minutes ago, Zveroboy1 said:

I don't know if any fighting took place in this area. I just liked the layout of the terrain and the balka on the east side.

 

 

I love the topography of this map.  It's going to be a marvelous place to fight over.

It really looks like the picture. You're quite good at this.

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