Hister Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 This should be cheched into by the devs I suppose. CM's screenshot was taken while another game was being disscussed: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/commercial-gaming-industry-offers-creative-solutions-to-defence-analysts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Looks like the image was originally published at wargamer.com > https://www.wargamer.com/reviews/combat-mission-shock-force-2/ Unless BF are secretly working with MOD / Dstl.... might explain some of the delays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, Wicky said: Unless BF are secretly working with MOD / Dstl.... might explain some of the delays. Let me correct your quote for you... Quote BF was secretly working with MOD / Dstl.... that explains some of the delays. Now that there's some info out there, not so secret any more Yes, we are working on a customized version of Combat Mission for use within the British military establishment. For the most part it will be used as an analytical tool, not a training tool in the usual sense. It's purpose is to experiment with various options and measure the results to better inform decision making. This is something that Combat Mission is very well set up for due to its underlying "science based" simulation methodology. The extra workload is certainly affecting our overall timeline, but the work with Dstl comes in waves and that means we are able to work on other things concurrently without too much interruption of our commercial work. And before anybody says it, the work with the British MOD does not mean we're moving away from commercial development. Making games for you guys is still our priority long term. Defense work isn't predictable or lucrative enough to become our only product line. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hister Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Haaaaaa, awesome! Thank you Steve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Is there any chance the work there or for New Zealand will carry over to commercial CM or do the contracts prohibit it or is the defense work just non-applicable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 For NZ we did not modify the game engine at all. Just TO&E, models, and textures. Think of it as a very nice Module that nobody else gets to see A significant amount of the work we're doing for the British is of a similar nature, and therefore also akin to a Module that you guys can't have access to. SOME of that content MIGHT be released in commercial form in some way in the future. What's new with this contract is we are modifying Combat Mission's code to include new features not found in the commercial version. For the most part the new/modified features are not "interesting" to gamers in any meaningful way and therefore won't ever be seen in by anybody outside of a specific defense contract. The few features that MIGHT be of interest to you folks MIGHT be moved over at some point, but likely not in the same exact form. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Glad to hear that CM is making the rounds through various defense industries. In my opinion that exchange can only be a good thing for BFC, even if it does mean some of the commercial stuff slows down a bit. 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: For the most part it will be used as an analytical tool, not a training tool in the usual sense. For what its worth, I know I personally would love to see some additional analytics included in CM, even simple ones such as a label on a vehicle penetration in the after action review screen. Battlefield forensics can be a lot of fun and a great way to learn the game. No idea if that's what you're talking about, or if the analytics you're including for the Brits is all behind the scenes code based stuff. Edited July 31, 2019 by IICptMillerII 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 With The Bullingdon Buffoon in power perhaps you might want to reconsider your involvement with our government. I'd hate to see heads roll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Warts 'n' all said: With The Bullingdon Buffoon in power perhaps you might want to reconsider your involvement with our government. I'd hate to see heads roll. nah with him in there who knows, maybe BF will develop a UK versus Euro Army Family. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said: What's new with this contract is we are modifying Combat Mission's code to include new features not found in the commercial version. Steve Tea kettles? Edited July 31, 2019 by sburke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heirloom_Tomato Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, sburke said: Tea kettles? If they didnt include them in Market Garden or any of the Commonwealth modules yet, I doubt they will in the modern titles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: With The Bullingdon Buffoon in power perhaps you might want to reconsider your involvement with our government. I'd hate to see heads roll. I thought you liked seeing heads roll? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Heirloom_Tomato said: If they didnt include them in Market Garden or any of the Commonwealth modules yet, I doubt they will in the modern titles. Yeah but that is when a bunch of Yanks were doing the design, this one has proper Brits! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, IICptMillerII said: Glad to hear that CM is making the rounds through various defense industries. In my opinion that exchange can only be a good thing for BFC, even if it does mean some of the commercial stuff slows down a bit. Thanks! 2 hours ago, IICptMillerII said: For what its worth, I know I personally would love to see some additional analytics included in CM, even simple ones such as a label on a vehicle penetration in the after action review screen. Battlefield forensics can be a lot of fun and a great way to learn the game. No idea if that's what you're talking about, or if the analytics you're including for the Brits is all behind the scenes code based stuff. For sure some would salivate over the forensics stuff we're working on, but there's very little practical use and requires external tools to use. None of it is in the form of ingame displays as that would be impractical. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: With The Bullingdon Buffoon in power perhaps you might want to reconsider your involvement with our government. I'd hate to see heads roll. Well, for sure I'm now less enthusiastic about the contract being in British Pounds than I was when we started it. Oh well, nothing to be done about that except hurry up and finish! Reminds me of when the EUR was new we insisted on contracts in USD. Not too long after that we wished we had done it the other way around. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Well, I for one am hurt by all the secrecy and skulduggery I didn't even know about until just now. Therefore, you could make it up to me by releasing a Muj model for SF2. Yeah, I'd forgive you for a measly Muj model. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Battlefront.com said: For sure some would salivate over the forensics stuff we're working on, but there's very little practical use and requires external tools to use. None of it is in the form of ingame displays as that would be impractical. Ahh ok. I'm still excited for any benefits that are developed from the contract that eventually make it through the grapevine to the commercial versions of CM. 2 hours ago, Mord said: Well, I for one am hurt by all the secrecy and skulduggery I didn't even know about until just now. Therefore, you could make it up to me by releasing a Muj model for SF2. Yeah, I'd forgive you for a measly Muj model. Mord. C'mon man, go big or go home! T-80s! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, IICptMillerII said: Ahh ok. I'm still excited for any benefits that are developed from the contract that eventually make it through the grapevine to the commercial versions of CM. We retain ownership of the code, assets, etc. so in theory some of the stuff could transfer over to commercial products under certain conditions. It's just that we don't see much utility in doing that for practical reasons. Oh, and for those who are curious about the business side of things, a lot of resources, persistence and patience is needed to land a defense contract of this nature. It also takes the right product. Slitherine has spent years working hard to break into the defense contracting world, Battlefront has spent two decades developing Combat Mission. Partnering together on military contracts makes sense. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 So.....New Brits Pack for CM:BS not too far down the line then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) Well done Steve / BF et al hopefully the contract will keep you all supplied with boys (& girls) toys! Edited August 1, 2019 by Wicky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) I was hoping for more from the Challenger update program TBH! 16 hours ago, IICptMillerII said: C'mon man, go big or go home! T-80s! What he said! Edited August 1, 2019 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Wicky, what is that? A kiddie ride at Bovington or something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 It a shot from 2018 War and Peace show in sunny Kent - I was watching various wootube vids trying to catch a view a sculpture friend said he made of a life-sized crashed Hurricane for this year's show. (Couldn't find it but then they might have dug a hole, scattered some debris and got away with just that...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 12:02 AM, sburke said: Tea kettles? Boiling Vessel or BV is the correct term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Combatintman said: Boiling Vessel or BV is the correct term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel see this is what happens when Yanks are involved. I was born on the 4th of July so I have a higher level of Yankiness even than the general population. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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