Falaise Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) There are 2 things I hate in mission combat It and that "shark teeth" As for the distortion in the ploughed fields, Kieme's mod brilliantly solved the problem. But for shark teeth alas, it is a constraint related to the engine of the game. Some scenario maker and map maker make a lot of effort to avoid them. I am thinking of the Bulletpoint "front contact" scenario where no shark teeth are visible, which gives you some of the most beautiful and realistic map. some other map makers , shift the bend two or three turns to avoid the effect of shark teeth. However for historical scenarios that rely on a precise map of places there is sometimes no choice. I recently tried the scenario The Carillon 1 It's Quiet-Too Quiet and I noticed this curious road with an unknown angle of 22.5 ° Revelation !! The author, (I do not know who) is a genius who managed with the highway tiles to do this feat, opening a new field of possibility in the design of the maps. The only flaw is the visual So I created this little mod to give a coherent visual. Now I like everything !! Road of Carillon Change on the map of "Liking up and breaking out" then and now this one to compare with the one above that I hate the different angles of the road Edited January 10, 2019 by Falaise 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMFDR Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Looks great, good job Falaise! May I dare to say that you've pocketed it? What about the pathfinding though, is the AI using the road in all its width? Meilleurs voeux! Edited January 10, 2019 by CMFDR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 hi CMFDR yes the behavior seems consistent it's road tile that I use ! meilleur à toi aussi !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 The genius is LongLeftFlank ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 What you did there @Falaise is exactly the recommended practice for creating a map. Nice example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Stuff Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Tuto a la Falaise !! not happy enough to show the right ways...he show also the wrong one s (poignees et accolades friend ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 hours ago, IanL said: What you did there @Falaise is exactly the recommended practice for creating a map. Nice example. I think you misunderstood. He's not talking about straightening out regular roads; he's somehow using a modded texture for the highway tiles to create whole new angles for roads. Angles that are not normally possible to achieve. I'm completely surprised this is even possible, and I've been around for years and played loads of scenarios and campaigns. Never seen it done before. I really wish this would be a standard in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) yes Bulletpoint it's LongLeftFlank who found the principle.I just modified the highway texture to coordinate with normal roads I think it's a real plus to get a nice map 53 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: I really wish this would be a standard in the game. I agree with you Edited January 11, 2019 by Falaise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Merci beaucoup for the kudos, mon copain. But I did this work back in 2011 and now in my dotage have no recollection of how it was done, lol. I will have to take a look again sometime, but work (la vice Américain) permits me very little CM time. Désolé. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Falaise said: yes Bulletpoint it's LongLeftFlank who found the principle.I just modified the highway texture to coordinate with normal roads I think it's a real plus to get a nice map I agree with you So will you post this mod somewhere, Falaise? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Yes, Aragorn, I'm going to put also the "disemboweled cow" that you asked me a long time ago! to make the roads, it's very simple as often with good ideas in "highway" use elements 8 and 10 It assembles like that For the other direction, use 13 and 15 according to the same principle Edited January 11, 2019 by Falaise 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Falaise said: Yes, Aragorn, I'm going to put also the "disemboweled cow" that you asked me a long time ago! to make the roads, it's very simple as often with good ideas in "highway" use elements 8 and 10 It assembles like that For the other direction, use 13 and 15 according to the same principle Thank you, Falaise. This was one of the few things I didn't like in the editor too. Great find! Edited January 11, 2019 by Aragorn2002 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Bulletpoint said: I think you misunderstood. Yikes you are correct. I totally miss-understood. Now that I'm clued in - thanks @Bulletpoint I have a question: do we have clarity that these are actually seen as roads with a new angle by the engine? If they are still a jagged road in the game engine's treatment then this is worse than leaving the jagged road in because vehicles will travel off, on, off, on in terms of the engine but look like they are on a road in terms of the visual. Or if it is treated as grass then the speed will not match with what is expected and wet ground conditions will also give a false sense of being safe on the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, IanL said: Now that I'm clued in - thanks @Bulletpoint I have a question: do we have clarity that these are actually seen as roads with a new angle by the engine? If they are still a jagged road in the game engine's treatment then this is worse than leaving the jagged road in because vehicles will travel off, on, off, on in terms of the engine but look like they are on a road in terms of the visual. Or if it is treated as grass then the speed will not match with what is expected and wet ground conditions will also give a false sense of being safe on the road. I don't know, but you might very well be right. It would decrease speed and raise risk of bogging, especially since road edges are alledgedly bad for bogging. Should be testable though, by making one of the new roads across muddy terrain and set ground conditions to muddy. Drive a vehicle down the road. If the game thinks the vehicle is actually driving over mud, it will bog very fast. It's a good example of how this kind of thing works so much better when officially supported by the game than when left to modders. Mods can do a lot, but they have limits and sometimes cause more trouble than they are worth. So, I'm still hoping to see these kinds of roads in an official CM title one day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) I did a mod taking the color of the road to make the whole visually coherent. but it's really highway tile that is used so it behaves in the engine as such Edited January 11, 2019 by Falaise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 the mod I did is only visual it's to avoid that with highway tiles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Stuff Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, Falaise said: the mod I did is only visual it's to avoid that with highway tiles Clever !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncc1701e Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Wonderful !! Will it work for all games? I am interested by CMSF2 in particular. EDIT: Ah et une excellente année à toi Falaise Edited January 12, 2019 by ncc1701e 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) On 1/11/2019 at 9:18 PM, Falaise said: Yes, Aragorn, I'm going to put also the "disemboweled cow" that you asked me a long time ago! I am aware that l'humour Anglaise is generally as with Frenchmen as la cuisine Anglaise. But, you know... "Fetchez la vache!" https://youtu.be/YV0LGMGuLN0 Edited January 13, 2019 by LongLeftFlank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) lol , j'adore ce film !! it's a Norman tradition to throw cows !!!! it must be said that it is very available here in Normandy!!!! ncc1701e a priori it work with every game where you can make highway Bonne année à toi aussi, décidément ce thread est très Francophone Edited January 13, 2019 by Falaise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Nice idea, even if it´s only for highways and not smaller roads. Anyway, road ditched wouldn´t work anymore as these are bound to the underlying 1m terrain mesh. I´d use them as... highways off course and city streets and the likes. Vehicle pathfinding should be ok generally I think. I´d appreciate if this mod would be finished and made available for all the CM2 game titles. :) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi RockinHarry I'm waiting for the answer from Fewgoodmen, I asked to register on scenario depot to share the mods it is possible to do it for any type of way but it will be necessary to make a choice ! also it can not be used with maps including a highway I only have CMBN I get look if it's possible to make with demo version for the other titles ! PS: i like your idea to use a bridge to go through building with vehicules 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I just got a spare hour and used this to 'curve' the St Lo-Cherbourg rail line a bit on my Carillon Nose master map. It looks ugly but tactically it matters, since historically a German PaK40 was emplaced at the St Gilles RN3 crossing, commanding both railbed and road. Google map la Meauffe and you'll see the curves instantly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 11:29 AM, Falaise said: Hi RockinHarry I'm waiting for the answer from Fewgoodmen, I asked to register on scenario depot to share the mods it is possible to do it for any type of way but it will be necessary to make a choice ! also it can not be used with maps including a highway I only have CMBN I get look if it's possible to make with demo version for the other titles ! PS: i like your idea to use a bridge to go through building with vehicules I´d definitely use it for my maps. Would be nice if BFC anytime considers adding the ability to turn buildings (and other terrain objects) in 15° steps, like it is for flavor objects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMFDR Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Posted on CMMODSIII as per author's request : CMBN Highway Mod by Falaise Thanks for sharing @Falaise Edited January 19, 2019 by CMFDR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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