Bulletpoint Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I guess the game gets it right, because it usually does, but I'm still curious: A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies. Or could it be that those 3x2 Stummels are actually just the 6 Battalion Stummels that have been attached to the individual companies? So we're counting the same vehicles twice? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/28/2018 at 1:08 PM, Bulletpoint said: I guess the game gets it right, because it usually does, but I'm still curious: A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies. Or could it be that those 3x2 Stummels are actually just the 6 Battalion Stummels that have been attached to the individual companies? So we're counting the same vehicles twice? Difficult question. There are many not very PC answers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, StieliAlpha said: Difficult question. There are many not very PC answers. Hmmm, I thought it was a pretty straight forward question actually ? Not sure how political correctness plays into this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: Hmmm, I thought it was a pretty straight forward question actually ? Not sure how political correctness plays into this? :O Don't you know that some people identify as light-skinned Allied vehicles or Allied infantry? Halftrack-based stummels are particularly offensive to them. These stummels are bringing in the HEAT to people who identify as armoured vehicles too! In all seriousness, I am playing through the Peiper campaign right now. I am quite surprised by how common these SPGs are. I guess they're quite nifty when you're going up against entrenched infantry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: Hmmm, I thought it was a pretty straight forward question actually ? Not sure how political correctness plays into this? Hehehechrrrrr, your treaser question triggered me. But probably, I interpreting too much German into the question. Let‘s stop the discussion or we‘ll end up with „tiny hands“ and „horsefaces“. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, StieliAlpha said: But probably, I interpreting too much German into the question. Ok, I got an email with the explanation of this piece of German humour.. I begin to understand why the German army liked to call their vehicles stuff like Sd.Kfz. 251/9, since that is very difficult to turn into a joke! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said: Ok, I got an email with the explanation of this piece of German humour.. I begin to understand why the German army liked to call their vehicles stuff like Sd.Kfz. 251/9, since that is very difficult to turn into a joke! Hm, let me think about that one. I’ll find something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 Calling @John Kettler Maybe you have some info on this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudhugger Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 10/28/2018 at 6:08 AM, Bulletpoint said: A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies. Twelve is correct in an Armored Panzergrenadier Battalion. Remember, the other three Panzergrenadier Battalions in a Panzer Division are motorized, and they don't have Stummels. I think the Armored Recon Battalion in a Panzer Division had thirteen Stummels, but CMRT gives them six. I don't have CMFB, so I can't comment on how the TOE shows there. If you are seeing too many Stummels maybe play with the foot slogging PzGrenadiers more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Mudhugger said: On 10/28/2018 at 1:08 PM, Bulletpoint said: A CMFB German Panzergrenadier Battalion apparently has 12 Stummels, 6 in the Heavy Company, and 3x2 Stummels in the heavy platoons of each of the three infantry companies. Twelve is correct in an Armored Panzergrenadier Battalion. Remember, the other three Panzergrenadier Battalions in a Panzer Division are motorized, and they don't have Stummels. I think the Armored Recon Battalion in a Panzer Division had thirteen Stummels, but CMRT gives them six. I don't have CMFB, so I can't comment on how the TOE shows there. If you are seeing too many Stummels maybe play with the foot slogging PzGrenadiers more. Thanks a lot for clearing this up. I didn't have any problems seeing too many of those things, it was just a matter of curiosity. I generally play with foot sloggers and not with a lot of armour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benpark Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) Tomb of the Panzerwaffe: The Defeat of the Sixth SS Panzer Army in Hungary 1945 (Isaev, Kolomiet) sets the amount of "Stummel' half-tracks in the 2nd Regiment/1st Battalion, Pz. Div./Pz. Gren. Reg.) at 12 (on paper), page 106. Edited February 16, 2019 by benpark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 12 is correct, both on paper and at times in practice. Six in heavy company, two in each panzergrenadier company. Edited February 17, 2019 by akd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaunitz Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) On 2/15/2019 at 6:26 AM, Mudhugger said: Twelve is correct in an Armored Panzergrenadier Battalion. Remember, the other three Panzergrenadier Battalions in a Panzer Division are motorized, and they don't have Stummels. I think the Armored Recon Battalion in a Panzer Division had thirteen Stummels, but CMRT gives them six. I don't have CMFB, so I can't comment on how the TOE shows there. If you are seeing too many Stummels maybe play with the foot slogging PzGrenadiers more. I think this is correct. But don't overestimate the number of PG battalions that were actually armored ("gepanzert"). Most were just motorized, as far as I know. Do these armored PG btns have a rarity rating? ---- From my understanding, Panzergrenadiere are not called "Panzer" (armored/tank) because they themselves were armored (which wasn't the case very often), but rather because they were the infantry that formed part of the armored divisions (Panzer-Divisionen), who themselves were a mix of tank regiments (Panzer-Regimenter) and infantry regiments (Panzer-Grenadier-Regimenter). Accordingly, in the early stages of the war, the infantry in armored divisions were just called "Schützen Regimenter" (rifleman/fusilier regiments) and had the same corps colour as the tankers (i.e. pink). Later on they were re-named into "Panzergrenadiere" and received their own special corps colour (green). Edited June 30, 2019 by Kaunitz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 11/1/2018 at 4:46 PM, DerKommissar said: In all seriousness, I am playing through the Peiper campaign right now. I am quite surprised by how common these SPGs are. I guess they're quite nifty when you're going up against entrenched infantry. The Germans had an awful lot of surplus short 75mm guns after they up-gunned the StuG & Pz.IV and the conversion isn't exactly rocket science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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