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4 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said:

Thoughts are with the victims, and their families and friends.

For sure. But also whenever something like this happens, it raises the question of whether historic aircraft should be flying at all. Particularly rare or unusually significant models should perhaps not be risked in this way. On the other hand, their natural element is the sky and it seems almost criminal to deny them that.

Michael

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An strong political platform which leaves all us fans in no doubt as to which side of the issue you are on, Michael.  :)     You running for election someplace?  I'd vote for you...  

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It depends on whether the age of the aircraft was a factor in the crash i.e. if some sort of mechanical failure was involved. If it wasn't then the age of the aircraft is unlikely to be relevant. Pilot error, a common cause of crashes, is a factor that can strike the most modern aircraft - Air France 447, for instance, amid countless others.

For  example,  there is a suggestion that the JU52 crash crash may have had something to do with the unusually hot weather in Europe over the weekend, which would affect density altitude. Density altitude is affected by temperature, and in hot weather can make the aircraft fly as if it's at a higher altitude than may be indicated by the altimeter. This can result in pilots unwittingly taking their aircraft outside its performance envelope, sometimes with fatal results.

Anyway, one thing I've learned about air crashes is to ignore almost everything in the news stories, and assume nothing until the accident report comes out. The Manx Air 7100 and AF 447 crashes are great examples of this. The causes eventually identified in the reports were well wide of the speculation indulged in by the press, which is usually written by people who are utterly ignorant of the subject matter and are more interested in eye-catching headlines than in cool factual reporting.

Update: (a) The Swiss investigators appear to be ruling out the hot weather as a possible cause, and (b) it has been reported that this particular JU-52 is the same one use in the filming of "Where Eagle Dare".

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3 hours ago, Holdit said:

this particular JU-52 is the same one use in the filming of "Where Eagle Dare".

Aw man... One of my favorite childhood movies.  Clint Eastwood, Richard Burton and a bunch of other good actors and great music.  NOW it's a tragedy!

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5 hours ago, Holdit said:

Update: (a) The Swiss investigators appear to be ruling out the hot weather as a possible cause

Where did you get that from? My understanding is that currently a stall due to higher temps and high altitude is the best guess. It crashed at 2‘500m, after doing a 180deg turn and apparently was fully loaded with 17 passengers. They were returning from a weekend trip, so probably even had some luggage. But we will most probably never learn the reason of the crash, since those JU52‘s are not equipped with flight recorders.An exemption made by the Swiss authorities, to keep the „JU-Air“ in business.

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Man them 1930's Germans were ahead of their time. Did you see that computer nav system, the tinted windows on the top section of the cockpit. And the inflight entertainment system. Where you can listen to such popular tunes as Panzerlied  and Horst-Wessel-Lied. No wonder they had rockets, jet aircraft and re-engineered UFO's by 1945.

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19 hours ago, IronCat60 said:

Man them 1930's Germans were ahead of their time. Did you see that computer nav system, the tinted windows on the top section of the cockpit. And the inflight entertainment system. Where you can listen to such popular tunes as Panzerlied  and Horst-Wessel-Lied. No wonder they had rockets, jet aircraft and re-engineered UFO's by 1945.

You find that an appropriate comment in the context of a crash with 20 dead?

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No disrespect to you or the deceased was intended. On the surface my attitude towards such matters may seem flippant but it is a defense mechanism.

To satisfy your quest for justice over this remark I will inform you that my life is a absolute nightmare due to combat PTSD. It destroyed my marriage, alienated me from my parents, and siblings and I have no friends whatsoever. I really do not eat or sleep much. My counselor fears that I may do something drastic to myself. If I was to cease to exist no one would notice or mourn for me.

So if this statement does not meet your need for retribution then I do not know what in God's amazing universe will.

"There are only two things that are infinite. The universe and mans stupidity. And I'm not so sure of the universe" Albert Einstein

"I'm surrounded by assholes!" Dark Helmet, Space Balls (oh hell, there I go again, quick someone report me to the mods so they can bend my dog tags and send me to Antarctica)

 

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1 hour ago, IronCat60 said:

.So if this statement does not meet your need for retribution then I do not know what in God's amazing universe will.

No, thx, that‘s good enough for me.

Shows once again, how difficult it is to be funny in writing. That can backfire badly, as I experienced myself often enough.

So, don’t worry: All is good.

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I had an extremely dear friend of mine pass away many years ago totally unexpectedly.  So I am at the funeral which was really really hard being an open casket and she passing way too young.  I walk up to pay my respects and I had this nearly uncontrollable urge to just laugh hysterically.  The cause of death was a blood clot that cause an embolism. The blood clot was caused several days prior when she was at a telecom conference and inadvertently twisted her ankle while flagging a cab. The reason I wanted to laugh so hard was I could hear her in my head saying no freakin way did I die from a twisted ankle, no freakin way.  Who dies from a twisted ankle?  She would have been so pissed off and annoyed.  I could see the expression on her face, the disgust and yes even a hint of laughter that she could go in such a ridiculous manner.  

Humor around death is not an abnormal reaction.  It is a coping mechanism.  In this case I didn't take the comment at all in the context of the OP and the accident but rather the visuals from the JU 52 vid.  *shrug*    So no Ironcat, you don't get a free trip to Antarctica.  If all the rest is true about your PTSD, sorry man.  I seriously doubt that you'd go truly un-mourned.  Most of us do not appreciate the folks around us and how much they really do care.

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2 minutes ago, sburke said:

I seriously doubt that you'd go truly un-mourned.

Let's not make assumptions...

(FYI That's my dry Brit sense of humor.)

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Erwin said:

Let's not make assumptions...

(FYI That's my dry Brit sense of humor.)

Remind me never to hang out with you at a funeral. Well both get tossed. 

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