John Kettler Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 After I mentioned Pavloc's house over on the CoC board on FB, one of the guys essentially said the story of Pavlov's house was propaganda. When I asked for evidence, he sent me this link to a massive discourse on the whole situation, complete with photos and Russian CC film clips. The amount of information here is overwhelming, but I thought it would delight the troops. The carnage is sobering (a battalion down to 18 effectives), showing how truly close the Germans came to taking Stalingrad, and there's grog chrome galore, too. Nets on upper story windows on German buildings to keep out incendiary bottles, for example. And did you know Serjeant Pavlov took the house with only three other frontoviki? They were its sole garrison for a time, and the buld-up began from there. All in all, this Reddit is a marvelous resource for what I'm sure is a CM game people dream of (or wake up sweating at the thought of it). There is a great deal more at the link, including a lot of amplifying remarks, corrections to the article's translator, comments about being respectful to the fighters and more. All in all, quite the education! Fair use Regards, John Kettler 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I like that modern Russian historians, who fight with wartime newspaper articles. "Pavlov house was just a platoon size strongpoint, not a central defensive position", what a discovery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artkin Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 And the shortest forum post goes to... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) And having read the above all I can say is.. "John Kettler is a weatherman, a weatherman, a weatherman. John Kettler is a weatherman, and so is Michael Fish." Edited March 11, 2018 by Warts 'n' all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Zaitzev Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The best account of this episode is in Michael K. Jones book on Stalingrad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 Ivan Zaitsev, Am all ears. Please provide some sort of summary of the main points. Am most curious. Thanks! Regards, John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Zaitzev Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Sadly I don't have the time to do that. You will have to purchase the book. If you have the money it's worth every penny. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On March 11, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Warts 'n' all said: And having read the above all I can say is.. "John Kettler is a weatherman, a weatherman, a weatherman. John Kettler is a weatherman, and so is Michael Fish." I think that gets the Most Obscure Post of the Month award. Michael 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: I think that gets the Most Obscure Post of the Month award. Michael Thanks Mike. Humbly received. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Very interesting article, John. Thanks for posting it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 Aragorn2002, You're most welcome. It's hard to believe so few, initially, at least, could have such an impact, but it all comes to to position, LOS and LOF, doesn't it. Those and the fire in the bellies and hearts of the defenders. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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