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27 minutes ago, Erwin said:

That ends the discussion.  Well done.

LOL, convenient that you have something to lach onto so you don't have to discuss his valid concerns...

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Whoa erwin you completely misinterpreted what I was saying. I didnt want to directly go there but for the record I think Trump is a narcissistic clown who is openly being duped in the least sophisticated, moronic and embarassing fashion by every strongman in the world that deigns to treat the POTUS as at least a mere equal - especially fat Kim and Putin, and frankly he makes me embarrassed to be an American often and Im utterly disgusted with him and his whole tribe of followers.  I have zero doubts whatsoever that in another country Trump absolutely would install himself as a dictator and its a wet dream of his; his actions to me speak volumes about an elitist rich person - might makes right and he.s rich because he.s better and about 98% of the country arent even people and are just to be used and played.  I think also it seems he gets off on living vicariously with these same dictators with these summits and doing unprecedented stuff like meeting alone with them.

I truly believe every admin has been played but he isnt doing anything special pressuring anyone on N Korea - he went to Singapore and GAVE away one of the biggest things the Norks have bitched about for some unverified sets of bones? And in the process gets played for an absolute fool by the volumes of evidence emerging the US is getting duped and acting as if everythings fine.

And before its said "well he didnt know they wouldnt honor any agreements.." Yeah, if you discard ALL previous experience you could be optimistic.  He also didnt need to declare the nuclear threat over and basically fellate himself in front of the world the moment he got off the plane so...

 

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<sigh> yes, it's understood that you hate trumpy and therefore nothing he does like getting our economy moving and challenging China will ever make you happy.  So, no point in engaging anymore.  This elitist attitude of negating the honestly felt beliefs and desires of so many of the "deplorables" is what got trumpy elected in the first place.  And am confident that these attitudes will help get him elected again in 2020.  Congratulations.  Keep up the good work.

 

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54 minutes ago, Erwin said:

.  This elitist attitude of negating the honestly felt beliefs and desires of so many of the "deplorables" is what got trumpy elected in the first place.  

That and Russian manipulation, massive Gerryandering by the Republican Party along with out right subversion of voting for example in Georgia, but yeah this is way off topic. 

To your point Erwin we don’t really know how things are going. If in fact the remains that have been returned are of allied soldiers that is a definite plus I am more than willing to credit the administration for.  As to DPRK commitment, maybe they will follow through. My only issue is Trump is already running his victory lap when for the moment no one including GOP senators know what we have agreed to, similar to the Putin meeting. The statement from the Singapore meeting is very vague.  International agreements only work when there is clear agreement as to what all parties committed to. That is not good. Remember George Bush’s “mission accomplished” and how that turned out?  The Iran treaty despite Trumps claims was a good treaty with verifiable results and every other party to the agreement confirms Iran was living up to the commitments listed.  How the DPRK talks can be considered successful when they don’t even come close to the “worst treaty ever” is confusing at least.

 

Presumably 2 people know what was agreed to - Trump and Pompeo.  Pompeo is saying DPRK actions are inconsistent with what they agreed to.

https://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKBN1KO0ZE

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Regarding the remains that have been returned, if the initial information pans out, these may be Army troops from the fighting at Chosin reservoir possibly including soldiers from Task Force Faith 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/presumed-us-remains-famous-korean-war-battle-220306811.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Faith

rebardkess of your political stance this if true is something every American should celebrate. 

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as long as we understand we.re completely at odds on politics.

And youre kidding about confronting China right? What because of the tariffs?

1st - helping the deplorables. LOL look at the last tax cut and the new one he.s talking about. ESPECIALLY the new one. Hes on tape bragging to his buddies at Mar A Lago 'I made you guys a lot richer'.

2nd - Trump isnt confronting anyone let alone China. Nice how you didnt adress any specific points I made. 

What I have heard Trump talk about was how clever Xi Jingping was to make himself leader for life and of course his infamous statement on tape that ' we ought to try that here sometime'.

Honestly I was gonna write a big thing. But this gets tiresome. At this point I really feel like we.re at the point where if anyone still thinks anything Trump says is credible (not because he never says anything true, but because he.s literally up to telling 16 on air public lies a day in June, and his whole presidency has averaged 8-12 a day) or that he.s out for anyone but his own family and the elite is frankly naive and/or living in a universe so far removed from mine thst I see no point in discussing this topic at all, and question if there.s really anything to discuss at all anyways with such willfully blind people..

Honestly the entire situation makes me sick, especiwlly the venom and vitriol thats gotten to the point where its not just politics anymore it becomes personal and theres a lot of it on both sides. Im not innocent, I find myself disgusted utterly with Trumpists. I wish I could suddenly not care about the news or world events and stick my head in the sand, but I consider it very irresponsible to be so ill informed by choice.

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After long while, I returned to here, but why this thread become warzone about Trump? Lets focus on Korea guys. As a thread starter, I feel some responsibility to open such battlefield. If this thread flows in this way, this thread will be closed. 

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12 minutes ago, exsonic01 said:

After long while, I returned to here, but why this thread become warzone about Trump? Lets focus on Korea guys. As a thread starter, I feel some responsibility to open such battlefield. If this thread flows in this way, this thread will be closed. 

Agreed. Let’s cut the politics angle as much as possible. It will always intrude to some degree as ones concern about current US position is weighted heavily in ones faith or not in the current administration, but we can try and stay objective about the actions that we can perceive from the DPRK side as the ball really is in their court. 

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15 hours ago, Erwin said:

...getting our economy moving...

It strikes me as just a bit premature to claim that the economy is moving when the wages of workers are stagnant while the cost of living continues to rise.

Michael

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2 hours ago, Michael Emrys said:

It strikes me as just a bit premature to claim that the economy is moving when the wages of workers are stagnant while the cost of living continues to rise.

Michael

.This is extremely relevant to me and most people my age I know who have similar views to mine politically' i.e. the Democrats are usually way better than the majority of crazy conspiracy theorist nuts the GOP trots out these days; that said no one in government is really on my 'side' I feel and this gets to the heart of the problem, just the Democrats wouldnt want to erase public assistance, keep minimum wages really low, and the Democrats are NOT continually trying to trick workers into thinking unions are some major scam. (Im sure you can guess which parties candidates are heavy on the anti union stance)

In the end though, and I want to clarify this because I hear a lot of people who arent in a similar situation accusing people of being socialists because they dont define themselves in a politically binary fashion - if you cannot afford to even live and feed yourself alone busting your hump in a legal 40 to 50 hour a week THE SYSTEMS BROKEN!

You shouldnt HAVE to have a college degree and massive debt, you shouldnt HAVE to have several roommates.  And frankly I think a lot of people are starting to feel as I do that really neither side is MY side.

I do admit with me though this translates into political apathy most of the time. Where many others support Sanders etc. I like a lot of his ideas, I just cant picture anyone ever electing an independent. The system isnt made that way.

 

Anyways Im done commenting on the topic unless directly adressed

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speaking of its interesting North Koreas foreign minister is starting to criticize the current US administration once people started lointing out Russias basically helping then sidestep sanctions, along with China and several other nations.

Makes you wonder how far making nice nice got everyone. Seems it doesnt work much - unless youre willing to just give them carte blanche in return for a smile in the face.

Theoretical question:

If war was imminent and you were in command of US forces would you guys favor a strict defense with local counterattacks or go with what is accepted as US plans now - complete counteroffensive almost immediately?

Who would you appoint to command the US forces?

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You youngsters don't remember the same fear-mongering in the 60's, then during Reagan era (and did we have similar in Bush W?).  I recall in UK (or Great Britain as it was called back then) when Harold Wilson was PM there was at least one TV show about a military takeover in the UK(!) due to his "unpopular" (unpopular for the elite that is) worker friendly policies.  Newspapers openly printed articles about how to overthrow the (Socialistic Labour Party) govt of Harold Wilson.  So... far worse than anything we see these days.  Plus ca change...

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19 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Run for the hills.....The 'Axis of Evil' is back!  :o

only 2 this time so it is the axle of evil.  They've been downgraded

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On 8/5/2018 at 4:10 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

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It's getting close now.....Anyone for a balanced game of CM:BS?  ;)

Gives me half a mind to play a few American Civil War 2 quick battles. xD

Has anyone tried to make maps set on mainland America? Kind of like World in Conflict?

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