Ivanov Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I'm not sure how the potential bugs should be reported, so I'm just going to post here. The mortar fire mission in my CMFI game is completely off target. To the point that I'm thinking, it could be a bug. The spotter for the mortars is a HQ unit. The spotting rounds were falling very close to my units, but I though it wold be corrected. Is it a intentional simulation of military SNAFU or could that be a bug? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Looks bad. Does the spotter have LOS to his target and/or to the area they're impacting? Being pinned, rattled, and green and without radio comms all don't help. (No radio in the equipment panel, but a radio command icon in the "in command" panel. Hmm.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 The spotter has direct LOS on the target and it got pinned by the impact of the mortars that it was directing. The radio panel disappeared after it become pinned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Liederkranz Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I don’t think it’s the Pin but the casualty changing the radio status. It looks like the radio operator was killed in betweeen the two screenshots. In my experience when that happens, the radio disappears from the unit’s inventory, but as long as they don’t move they can still keep radio C2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, General Liederkranz said: I don’t think it’s the Pin but the casualty changing the radio status. It looks like the radio operator was killed in betweeen the two screenshots. In my experience when that happens, the radio disappears from the unit’s inventory, but as long as they don’t move they can still keep radio C2. Agreed. (There's a pix or two floating around showing exactly that. Posted recently.) The spotting rounds should not have allowed this to occur. What type of mission was it? Emergency has poor accuracy, for example, but still rains down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 My tuppence ha'penny worth. Could it be that your spotter can't see where most of the rounds falling because of the trees. Yet another drawback of playing in Telegraphpoleland instead of in Europe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yes, the radio operator became a casualty after nearby impacting round. There're no trees between the spotters and the target area, which is about 260 meters away. You can see that the rounds land directly on the spotting team. The mission type is: area, heavy, long, general, immediate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It has nothing to do with the radio becoming a casualty. The reason the fire mission was off target is because the spotter is green, rattled, and taking direct fire. All that results in a poorly called fire mission. This isn't a bug. Everything is working correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger73 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Agreed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, IICptMillerII said: It has nothing to do with the radio becoming a casualty. The reason the fire mission was off target is because the spotter is green, rattled, and taking direct fire. All that results in a poorly called fire mission. This isn't a bug. Everything is working correctly. The spotter become rattled and under fire, only after he directed the fire mission on himself. The spotting rounds were falling consistently in one area ( completely off target ). So does it mean, that a green spotter is completely unable to correct the fire mission, even after a long spotting ( it took him about 10 minutes )? Edited January 21, 2018 by Ivanov 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freyberg Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, Ivanov said: So does it mean, that a green spotter is completely unable to correct the fire mission, even after a long spotting ( it took him about 10 minutes )? Another factor is that he is a Company HQ, not an Observer team. I haven't had much luck with HQ as spotters teams myself, so I usually buy at least a couple of Observers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Ivanov said: So does it mean, that a green spotter is completely unable to correct the fire mission, even after a long spotting ( it took him about 10 minutes )? No, it just means in this instance the spotter didn't do a good job and that resulted in a bad fire mission. You got bad luck. It happens. Nothing wrong with the game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, IICptMillerII said: No, it just means in this instance the spotter didn't do a good job and that resulted in a bad fire mission. You got bad luck. It happens. Nothing wrong with the game Well if everything works as designed I'm happy. But shouldn't the spotter correct the fire mission after completely off spotting rounds, rather than allowing the mortars to fire on his own position? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger73 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Spotter's that die or lose radio contact can no longer adjust rounds. Spotters pinned and rattled don't adjust rounds dependably anymore. Really bad luck indeed . . . Edited January 21, 2018 by Badger73 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Badger73 said: Spotter's that die or lose radio contact can no longer adjust rounds. Spotters pinned and rattled don't adjust rounds dependably anymore. Really bad luck indeed . . . Right, but he was totally off mark while being safe and sound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Ivanov said: Right, but he was totally off mark while being safe and sound. But still green and not an observer unit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I've learned the hard way to always keep good observers or experienced HQs, if I can't employ the former, just a few steps behind the hot frontline and use them to call in the shots without disturbance while the enemy is focused on other troops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Ok, so to recap - a green spotter may call a totally off target fire mission, which it quite possible, within the game's engine. I is also possible, that a green spotter may call in a fire, that hits were it's supposed to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freyberg Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Spotting does seem to have become harder in recent updates, but that's OK - it's part of the fun... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 14 hours ago, Ivanov said: <Snip> The spotting rounds were falling consistently in one area ( completely off target ). <Snip> long spotting ( it took him about 10 minutes )? Green experience spotters can call in accurate fire support on a target. However a green spotter takes longer to FFE than more experienced spotters. The experience of the tubes will also effect the FFE times. I think the spotter, in your case, did not have a good line of sight. The normal time spent on spotting is 2 or 3 minutes. If the spotting went on for 10 minutes it sounds like the spotter was having problems and could not see to adjust. I have not tested but I think after a certain amount of time, without seeing the spotting rounds, the AI takes a guess and FFE. I will generally cancel a mission that spots for an excessive amount of time since this is an indicator of a problem. Then you had the bad luck of it actually landing on the spotter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanov Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) @MOS:96B2P that's interesting, thanks for the info. The spotter had a good LOS in the target, as per screenshots above. He possibly couldn't see the spotting rounds because they were falling way off mark, behind the tree line. Edited January 21, 2018 by Ivanov 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraze Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Woah that explains so much. Seriously the focus on simulating true LOS for every single unit member is like the best thing about CMx2, let alone in comparison to other wargames 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncc1701e Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Sometimes, I am wondering if the Forward Observer is blind. The interface claims FO is having LOS on the target. I am hearing, on the radio, messages like "fire perfect" whereas they have completely missed the target (it is a point target). I am also cancelling fire mission in this case since FO seems incapable to correct his mistake. This is in CMSF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger73 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, ncc1701e said: <snipped> I am hearing, on the radio, messages like "fire perfect" whereas they have completely missed the target (it is a point target). <snipped> I suspect English is not your native language. Please pardon my presumption and accept my apologies if that is not the case. The radio message you heard is, "Fire for effect.", NOT, "Fire perfect." "Fire for effect" is a special radio message transmitted by the indirect fire direction center to the spotter of the fire mission. It tells the spotter that the indirect firing unit is done firing spotting rounds and will now fire all the rounds requested by the original fire mission. Either the spotting rounds were seen to hit the target area OR (in Combat Mission games) the spotter has provided no subsequent adjustment information because, a) the spotter really doesn't see where the rounds are landing very well OR, the spotter is dead, OR c) the spotter lost radio contact. In all those cases, the firing unit will try to complete the mission as best it can per the original fire request using the spotting information it last received. That's why @MOS:96B2P said he cancels missions where spotting takes too long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrTom Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Can you cancel your fire missions in case B? If the spotter is dead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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