MikeyD Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That 76 Jumbo picture is VERY late. See that mesh screen for foliage? That's from an assembly line modification program that took place in... March(?), I believe (my sources aren't handy). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Maybe this thread should be called M4 Sherman .. Super Sherman?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 hours ago, MikeyD said: That 76 Jumbo picture is VERY late. See that mesh screen for foliage? That's from an assembly line modification program that took place in... March(?), I believe (my sources aren't handy). You sure about that fella? I've got the photo series that one is from somewhere (IIRC it's Creighton Abrams' unit) and I'm pretty sure the pictures are earlier than the date you suggest for the modification (not 100% though). Could that be a field expedient example? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Where is that darned reference on late war modifications? It detailed the modification program, provided units, dates, methods, photos and drawings. I searched high and low, from the top of the stack to the bottom. but it didn't fall into my hands, Oh well... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) I know that feeling! Sometimes it really is possible to have to much stuff squirreled away isn't it. PS - IIRC the images with the unit in question feature prominently in one of the Armour At War titles.....Not sure which one off hand (and again, I could be wrong). Edited February 22, 2018 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 21 hours ago, MikeyD said: Where is that darned reference on late war modifications? It detailed the modification program, provided units, dates, methods, photos and drawings. I searched high and low, from the top of the stack to the bottom. but it didn't fall into my hands, Oh well... If you think that is bad, a decade or so ago I gave up being a moderator over on 'Axis History Forum' when I realized I couldn't even remember where I had read a certain piece of information. I knew I had read it, and I was confident that I remembered the gist of it right, but I could no longer quote chapter and verse. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Joch Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 or worse, being sure you remember something and when you do check the actual reference, you realise you remembered it completely wrong. A problem as you get older. For example when I did the "Battle of Chaumont" scenarios, I had found a source listing the exact types, i.e. 75mm, 76,mm, Jumbo fielded by the U.S. forces, but now I cannot find the source or even remember what it was... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatintman Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 23 hours ago, Sgt Joch said: or worse, being sure you remember something and when you do check the actual reference, you realise you remembered it completely wrong. A problem as you get older. For example when I did the "Battle of Chaumont" scenarios, I had found a source listing the exact types, i.e. 75mm, 76,mm, Jumbo fielded by the U.S. forces, but now I cannot find the source or even remember what it was... They were good scenarios though - I enjoyed testing them, so I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Am about to purchase a copy of Hunnicutt’s book on the Pershing. Having a deucedly difficult time trying to determine the “best” publisher and edition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Combatintman said: They were good scenarios though - I enjoyed testing them, so I wouldn't be too hard on yourself. Yes, I certainly enjoyed them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtsjc1 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 hours ago, c3k said: Am about to purchase a copy of Hunnicutt’s book on the Pershing. Having a deucedly difficult time trying to determine the “best” publisher and edition. I have the 1996 2nd edition. It is the same as the original with the glossy pages and the white cover. It is published by Feist Publications. The newer ones are the Echo Point reprints. I have the Echo point reprint of Firepower. From what I can tell the originals are better quality especially the photos. They're also quite a bit more expensive and hard to find. I would say if money isn't an issue, look to get a good used copy of the Feist 2nd edition. Hope this helps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jtsjc1 said: I have the 1996 2nd edition. It is the same as the original with the glossy pages and the white cover. It is published by Feist Publications. The newer ones are the Echo Point reprints. I have the Echo point reprint of Firepower. From what I can tell the originals are better quality especially the photos. They're also quite a bit more expensive and hard to find. I would say if money isn't an issue, look to get a good used copy of the Feist 2nd edition. Hope this helps. Yes, it did help. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 The original plates for the Presidio Press 'Pershing' book were lost in a fire. The second edition (which I have) was a heroic undertaking by Feist to reproduce the original down to the smallest detail. They did a commendable job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtsjc1 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) The 2nd edition of Sherman is just as good. I jumped on them when they were reprinted. The 2nd editions are excellent. Sherman is a 1994 Presidio Press reprint same as the 1st edition. Again I would look for these used before the Echo Point new copies. Edited February 24, 2018 by jtsjc1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeyD said: The original plates for the Presidio Press 'Pershing' book were lost in a fire. The second edition (which I have) was a heroic undertaking by Feist to reproduce the original down to the smallest detail. They did a commendable job 50 minutes ago, jtsjc1 said: The 2nd edition of Sherman is just as good. I jumped on them when they were reprinted. The 2nd editions are excellent. Sherman is a 1994 Presidio Press reprint same as the 1st edition. Again I would look for these used before the Echo Point new copies. Just picked a copy of "Pershing", published by Feist. "Like new" condition was an understatement. Off to hunt a good copy of "Sherman". Thanks for the pointers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 When sandbags or concrete aren't enough on their own: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Stuff Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: When sandbags or concrete aren't enough on their own: Nice view thank you ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 12:14 AM, General Jack Ripper said: If you do find it, I'd love to see it, but don't beat yourself up over it. Here's the closest thing I've found since: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 20 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Here's the closest thing I've found since: 150mm - 460mm penetration of steel-lined concrete? Ouch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transporter Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) On 1/11/2018 at 12:40 PM, markus544 said: Does anyone think that these battles might be in our future...Crossing the Rhine, Cologne tank fights where Panther was knocked out by a Pershing. I hope we get to see some of stuff. You must be referencing the YouTube video of that confrontation. Although a Pershing could indeed knock a Panther, the one at Cologne took all of it's hits in the side. Edited June 20, 2018 by transporter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transporter Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Super Pershings were in CM1 along with a plethora of other vehicles and weapons. Historically accurate, maybe not but then this is a game and sometimes it is fun to throw in some stuff to make the game interesting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, General Jack Ripper said: 150mm - 460mm penetration of steel-lined concrete? I think the liner refers to the metal lining inside the shaped charge warhead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Bulletpoint said: I think the liner refers to the metal lining inside the shaped charge warhead. Ah. Not much info to be had there then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) As at @Bulletpoint suggests, those figures represent the composition and design of the shaped charge, however the final two columns (IIUIC) give you the comparative penetration of the same weight of identical explosive driving shaped charges of various compositions (into a concrete target). Edited June 21, 2018 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 If interested in the Super Pershing, please refer to Belton Cooper's Death Traps, for he was an ordnance officer in 3 AD and is quite knowledgeable (really gets into it) regarding how the Super Pershing was put together. My recollection is the additional glacis armor was really from a boiler and that the mantlet armor was indeed from a Panther glacis plate. The additional gun weight, plus the add-on mantlet armor, exceeded the capacity of the existing elevation drives, forcing the fitting of the two equilibrators to compensate. Would expect a lot of counterwieght had to be added to the rear of the turret, too. For its use in combat, be sure to read John Irwin's phenomenal Another River, Another Town. Irwin arrived at the repple depple in Germany, was sent to 3 AD and thought he'd be an assistant gunner (loader?) to learn the combat ropes, but instead found himself in practically the lead tank of the AD's about to commence offensive, for a gunner with a whole six weeks of training! In fairly short order, he wound up in one of two Super Pershings and had quite the adventures in it. He briefly comments on the other one, too. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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