MOS:96B2P Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I did some experiments on selected US fire teams to determine if they were able to spot through artillery generated smoke screens. In hot seat mode I had the OpFor fire a sustained heavy linear smoke mission from multiple batteries. I placed Russian infantry and one BMP on one side of the smoke and the US teams to be tested on the other side with approximately 500 meters separating them. The first to be tested was a nine man US rifle squad. Five of the soldiers in the squad have the ability to spot OpFor through the smoke screen. The squad leader, assistant squad leader, a rifleman and the two M249 PIP gunners. If a Javelin was Acquired then six out of the nine soldiers have the ability to see OpFor through the smoke. Out of the five US sniper teams only the M107A1 50 Cal. Sniper could spot through the smoke. A breach team from special teams was not able to spot through the smoke. The platoon fire support team could not spot through the smoke unless they Acquired a Javelin Command Launch Unit (CLU). The company fire support team was able to spot through the smoke screen since they had a laser designator (apparently with thermals) in their special equipment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Artillery smoke screens are not IR blocking. I think there is some IR blocking smoke equipment I think it was smoke grenades on a vehicle but I forget what has it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Several previous smoke discussions - that @MOS:96B2P has probably already read but just in case... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share Posted July 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, IanL said: Several previous smoke discussions. Cool, thanks. The more info the better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Liederkranz Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Thanks for sharing these results. I assume this was in daylight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) So are you concluding that 5 out of the 9 in a US squad have the IR or Laser Designator(?) or whatever equipment to see through smoke? Is that equipment listed in the HUD? Edited July 25, 2017 by Erwin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 4 hours ago, General Liederkranz said: Thanks for sharing these results. I assume this was in daylight? Yes, daylight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Erwin said: So are you concluding that 5 out of the 9 in a US squad have the IR or Laser Designator(?) or whatever equipment to see through smoke? Is that equipment listed in the HUD? Yes five out of nine have thermals (TWS). Some of the TWS equipment is listed in the UI. The Thermal Weapons Sight (TWS) is listed for the three M4s that have it. The M249 PIP has thermals according to the CMBS game manual page 87 and when a two man M249 PIP special team was tested they were able to spot through the smoke. However for the M249 PIP there is nothing in the UI that indicates it has thermals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Liederkranz Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Great, thanks. It's especially useful to know that weapons listed in the manual as being equipped with thermals for night fighting (like the SAW and the .50 cal sniper rifle) also have them during the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbennett88 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 On 7/25/2017 at 1:35 PM, MOS:96B2P said: The platoon fire support team could not spot through the smoke unless they Acquired a Javelin Command Launch Unit (CLU). So...this confirms the suggestion by one of members that "giving" a Javelin sight enables the FO to spot much more effectively... Thanks @MOS:96B2P for sharing this info! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewood1 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Don't ignore the CMSF forums for info on stuff like this. Many of the discussions happened multiple times in CMSF and are still very relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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