Huge Bug - "Möbelwagen"

[user1000 8]

The gun on the this AA vehicle can lower right to the ground bypassing the hull and tracks, it looks ridiculous.

[Combatintman 292]

So not a huge bug then.

[LukeFF 194]

Screenshots would help...

[sburke 1,072]

I am guessing one found that out by putting it into an awkward situation.   

[Combatintman 292]

A week now .... can't have been a huge bug at all.

[Sgt.Squarehead 292]

You'll give the poor boy 'depression issues'. 

(I know, I know.....I'll get me coat!   ) 

[user1000 8]

Get your foot out of your mouth..

Edited July 19, 2017 by user1000

[Sgt.Squarehead 292]

Really not that huge an issue is it? 

[Combatintman 292]

19 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

Really not that huge an issue is it? 

Which was my point:

This affects just one of the hundreds of vehicles in the game. 

The likelihood of this situation occurring is pretty low.

The game still runs.

As a result, unless you are tabloid newspaper journalist, it is not a huge bug.  It is certainly a bug.

[Fizou 25]

The animation should probably not be this way, but for AI reasons the vehicles need to have no restrictions for their elevation of weapons. 

[Kuderian 27]

On 12/07/2017 at 2:59 PM, user1000 said:

The gun on the this AA vehicle can lower right to the ground bypassing the hull and tracks, it looks ridiculous.

This is a known limitation of the CMx2 engine. To mitigate it, BFC introduced a patch a while ago that makes it harder for close range armour to spot targets near bye.

[Sgt.Squarehead 292]

Definitely closer to an Ant than a Rhino Beetle.

[Wicky 70]

4 hours ago, Kuderian said:

This is a known limitation of the CMx2 engine. To mitigate it, BFC introduced a patch a while ago that makes it harder for close range armour to spot targets near bye.

I concur - It's a compromise to allow AI / AI opposition to function in game. If elevation / depression were limited to true up/down angles then its straightforward for a human player to move vehicles to allowable firing positions, however the AI doesn't have the same smarts to make similar adjustments.

Edited July 20, 2017 by Wicky

[IanL 718]

^^^ Very true. The way the game implements the firing below or above the elevation that is physically possible is to limit the model's gun traverse to the actual limits but fire the projectiles at whatever angle is needed. So this example of the gun barrels going low enough pass into the chassis to engage the target is not the intended behaviour. That part is a bug. But it is a very, very minor one.

[MikeyD 328]

Its not a bug but a known game engine limitation. I doubt the Mobelwagon fired on the close-assaulting troops, unless they sat there for two+ minutes.

[Sgt.Squarehead 292]

Mortars are the best fix for Mobelwagens, semi-deployed their superstructure acts like a catcher's-mitt! 

[user1000 8]

Let's look at this in the eyes of players, playing a very close to historically accurate game. Gun elevation is an AI cheat / not historically accurate... Yes it does fire even at that angle. All they have to do is limit the down elevation on that gun. Easy fix for a bug. There is also a need for the crew to return fire with pistols in vehicles this close. They just sit like rag dolls without bailing or returning fire.

Edited July 21, 2017 by user1000

[Combatintman 292]

On ‎22‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 3:06 AM, user1000 said:

Let's look at this in the eyes of players, playing a very close to historically accurate game. Gun elevation is an AI cheat / not historically accurate... Yes it does fire even at that angle. All they have to do is limit the down elevation on that gun. Easy fix for a bug. There is also a need for the crew to return fire with pistols in vehicles this close. They just sit like rag dolls without bailing or returning fire.

Your screenshots show the vehicle at maximum suppression.