John Kettler Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Was looking at something different altogether on a defense blog when I found these: Ukrainian paratroop train during brigade level.exercise. Has some good pics.http://defence-blog.com/news/ukrainian-paratroopers-enhance-their-professional-skills-during-brigade-tactical-exercise.html Defense industrial complex reform. Mercifully short, it does have a nice pic of some AC with an impressive CROWS type installation.http://defence-blog.com/army/ukroboronprom-announced-the-reform-of-the-military-industrial-complex-ukraine.html This one's a year old, but it's got a fabulous pic of a full war configuration BTR-4E, as well as some AFV, Su-25, helo and para goodness. http://defence-blog.com/news/ukrainian-troops-undergo-training-at-shyrokyi-lan.html Another 2015 link, but I've included it because it has some great pics of no slat armor BTR-4Es in the wild, a big technical, a Vasilek under tow and many more things. http://defence-blog.com/army/photos-ukrainian-paratroopers-undergo-training.html Regards, John Kettler Edited October 8, 2016 by John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Thanks John. @Haiduk how effective has that slat armor actually been, for the BTRs>? Any info, anecdotal is fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUAN DEAG Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 There was an incident in 2014 where a BTR-4 with slat armor was ambushed by Russians and sustained several hits from an RPG-7 and various small arms fire. The vehicle was heavily damaged but was still able to carry on fighting and evacuate a wounded soldier. . Note: One rocket penetrated the unmanned turret (pictured 3rd). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 This one's got a few more pics of the same vehicle. If the report is to be believed, the vehicle was back in action the next day.http://info-news.eu/ukrainian-btr-4-apc-withstood-several-rpg-hits/ Anyone for a 25 page thread on Ukrainian armor? It's a year old, but when you see the enormous numbers of wonderful photos, you won't mid the big chunk of your lifespan you'll lose as a result. http://sturgeonshouse.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/61-ukrainian-armor-oplot-m-t-64m-bulat-and-other/ Regards, John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 Turns out my number was off. It is actually 34 pages--of AFV gloriousness! Goodies galore, including quite a few things I'd never seen before. I skimmed 27 pages and about lost my mind in the process. Regards, John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 A teaser from the moster thread above. This is the Ukrainian show called "Weapons" in English. This episode is about--tanks! As a bonus, for a change it's possible for those who speak neither Russian (the usual issue when watching the Russian equivalent) or Ukrainian (total experience about an hour all told) to understand what's being said, thanks to (storm clouds part, trumpets blare) English subtitles. Regards, John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, kinophile said: Thanks John. @Haiduk how effective has that slat armor actually been, for the BTRs>? Any info, anecdotal is fine. When the war have begun many units have started to mount slat armor on own vehicles, but there is no state program - almost all armor has been produced in garages by civil volunteers by their view how this have to be - often without any theoretical basis. Some military units were mounting on own vehicles absolutely weird "armor", like mesh netting or even parts of metal beds ! Of course, such "armor" protects like placebo. Idea of slat armor is not cause explosion of RPG on it - this is anyway will cause penetration of thin armor. For example we have 15 mm equivalent armor and RPG-7VL (500 mm penetration) blows up on slate armor - cumulative jet anyway is forming and strike armor. Of course, air gap (usually 50 cm) between slat and passive armor some reduces penetration: 500mm PG-7VLpenetration - 500 mm gap / 5 (coefficient of air layer for CE charge) = 400 mm So, as you see, after initiation on slat armor, PG-7VL save capability to penetrate not only BTR armor, but even tank. All secret is that slat armor must not initiate CE charge on it, but cut cumulative funnel in order shell either not initiate itself or after it's initiation cumulative jet will not form properly. Experience and tests shows, that appropriate construction of slat armor can destroy 50-60 % of RPG-22/26/7. Though not only - during the war was several cases when slat armor help against ATGM and even tank HEAT shells. But this was lucky сases, then system. BTR-4 on pictures above have appropriate construction of slat armor (this is BTR-4 returned by Iraq and directed in National Guard in 2014), which of course help to protect vehicle against CE charges. On time of ATO begining its were single APCs with right factory-made slat armor But here examples of useless handmade slat armor: Early war period of 2014 - OMG level %) Also 2014 - protection like in 1945 This BMD with wrong mesh armor have survived after close mortar hits and direct RPG-7 exlosion on mesh. Summer 2014 after battle for Vuhlehirsk Also almost useless construction Also not good decision of 2014 - horizontal crossbars mounted by wide surface to derection of CE attack and will rather initiate it, instead to cut. Many senseless work... This is HQ vehicle on base of BTR-80 Some better decision, but effectiveness still very low. September 2014 Placebo for truck driver At last since of mid 2015 tadaaammm !!! Cage armor of right construction were became manufacturing by volunteers and factories. Horizontal crossbars mounted by narrow edge to shell attack direction BTR-3E of "Azov" regiment, winter 2015, Shyrokine. Tank HEAT or HE shell have blew up on normal cage armor. APC was damaged, crew wounded, but have tіme to escape. Separatists by unknopwn reason didn't capture it and in 2016 APC was turned back on Ukraine controlled territory, but on factory have assumed a decision do not repair it. Edited October 9, 2016 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, John Kettler said: Another 2015 link, but I've included it because it has some great pics of no slat armor BTR-4Es in the wild, a big technical, a Vasilek under tow and many more things. This is one battalion of 25th airborne brigade, whih received some quantity of BTR-4E and BTR-3E1 for substitution of destroyed or decomissioned BMDs. Slat armor dismounted for maneuvers time. In ATO its turns back. Here it with additional masc: Edited October 9, 2016 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Good to see its finally becoming more sensible. Thank you for this info! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I second kinophile's thanks, Haiduk, and also thank you for the info on PRP-4M in Oleg's thread. 5 hours ago, Haiduk said: BTR-3E of "Azov" regiment, winter 2015, Shyrokine. Tank HEAT or HE shell have blew up on normal cage armor. APC was damaged, crew wounded, but have tіme to escape. Separatists by unknopwn reason didn't capture it and in 2016 APC was turned back on Ukraine controlled territory, but on factory have assumed a decision do not repair it Is that a Chechen with the separatists posing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Machor said: I second kinophile's thanks, Haiduk, and also thank you for the info on PRP-4M in Oleg's thread. Is that a Chechen with the separatists posing? Possibly yes, but in local military subculture (and in Ukrainian side too) have appeared a fasion on such type beards like islamists or Ragnar Lodbrok Edited October 9, 2016 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Interesting. I know Russians in the Chechen wars grew beards which were associated with a newfound Orthodox identity and the Russian troops who had fought Chechens in the 19th century. (Though the guy in the picture really doesn't look Russian/Ukrainian.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Crossing the Dniper During maneuvers "Unshakable firmness-2017" mechanized, marines, air-assault, engineer and chemical units have conducted a forcing of 600 m part of Dnieper in Kherson region and Bilhorod-Dniester liman in Odesa region Edited September 13, 2017 by Haiduk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cool breeze Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) I've got a lot more respect for slat armour after seeing it work, Thanks! Watched a related youtube video after the simulation about the Philippines army using wood to protect against HEAT, the end of the clip showed a test where it apeared to work! who'da thunk?! Edited September 14, 2017 by cool breeze 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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