JUAN DEAG Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 56 minutes ago, DreDay said: What advantages does it have over up-armored BMP-3? More ammo and more armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 26 minutes ago, JUAN DEAG said: More ammo and more armor. Armor - yes; although I am not convinced that it's necessary when taking out VBIEDs. Ammo - it's not so simple. The 100mm cannon on a BMP-3 can take out enemies in most fortified positions while 30mm AC could not even dream of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 For this, there is an ATGM with a high-explosive warhead. Plus is compensated by a large amount of ammunition to 30 mm guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, HUSKER2142 said: For this, there is an ATGM with a high-explosive warhead. Plus is compensated by a large amount of ammunition to 30 mm guns. How long are those ATGMS going to last? Or for that matter, will they even make it to battle? Need I remind you what had happened to the Tunguskas of Maikop brigade in Grozny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I think we both perfectly know how the troops did not use the correct methods. And also the fact that 50% are servicemen drafted into the army for less than six months. Compare the losses in the battle for Grozny in 1995 and 2000, they are significantly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 DreDay, 1 hour ago, DreDay said: I agree with you that resolution is not as good as AH-64D; but some of those targets get engaged out to 8km..that's no joke! Agree. 8 kilometers is the same range as even the Longbow version of Hellfire. Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 minute ago, HUSKER2142 said: I think we both perfectly know how the troops did not use the correct methods. And also the fact that 50% are servicemen drafted into the army for less than six months. Compare the losses in the battle for Grozny in 1995 and 2000, they are significantly different. I agree 100%. My only point was that un(or lightly) protected missiles don't tend to stay on top of armored vehicles very long; especially in intense combat engagements. That's not a matter of training - that's just the physicality of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, John Kettler said: DreDay, Agree. 8 kilometers is the same range as even the Longbow version of Hellfire. Regards, John Kettler Absolutely, although we have not seen any clips with those engagement ranges yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, DreDay said: I agree 100%. My only point was that un(or lightly) protected missiles don't tend to stay on top of armored vehicles very long; especially in intense combat engagements. That's not a matter of training - that's just the physicality of it As an option, an armored cover, as on the M2 Bradley IFV. Perhaps after a certain time, a combat module with 100 mm will appear, in the USSR an Object 782 was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, HUSKER2142 said: As an option, an armored cover, as on the M2 Bradley IFV. True. That's one of the reasons that BMP-3 designers had taken a different route. Just now, HUSKER2142 said: Perhaps after a certain time, a combat module with 100 mm will appear, in the USSR an Object 782 was created. I saw that, but then you might as well stick to a regular tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Try and elevate the gun on a tank like that. Urban assault vehicles of this type will soon start to proliferate, count on it. Edited June 20, 2017 by Sgt.Squarehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Try and elevate the gun on a tank like that. Urban assault vehicles of this type will soon start to proliferate, count on it. I have nothing against vehicles like up-armored BMP-3 that can deliver heavy firepower into the zenith; although so far no one else seems to be jumping on the band wagon. My point is that BMPT is not suited for that role very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Coming soon to a TOW kill video near you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, DreDay said: My point is that BMPT is not suited for that role very well. Says who? It hasn't been tested in action yet, but apparently it soon will be.....I look forward to seeing the outcome. 15 hours ago, akd said: Coming soon to a TOW kill video near you. It's quite remarkable how head-choppers keep finding brand new US made weapons lying around in a country that traditionally uses ex-Soviet stuff isn't it.....Must be kind of embarrassing for the US really. Edited June 21, 2017 by Sgt.Squarehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUAN DEAG Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Says who? It hasn't been tested in action yet, but apparently it soon will be.....I look forward to seeing the outcome. I believe it has been driven and fired at every single Russian Arms Expo for the past few years. I'm sure you could find some videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUAN DEAG Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: It's quite remarkable how head-choppers keep finding brand new US made weapons lying around in a country that traditionally uses ex-Soviet stuff isn't it.....Must be kind of embarrassing for the US really. This is not surprising. The SDF/YPG are armed almost exclusively with US equipment and these weapons can get captured or abandoned. The Iraqi army also has lots of US equipment that can be captured or abandoned (like Mosul 2014). Also, Qatar, UAE, and others provide weapons they may have purchased from the US to arm Islamists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUAN DEAG Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: head-choppers Can you maybe use more appropriate terminology such as, "Sand Nigger", "Rag-head", or "Camel-****er"? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophist_13 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 The Ministry of Defense of Russian Federation has begun the formation of unique military units - regiments, battalions and companies of multi-axle heavy wheeled tractors. In each company of "heavy bicycles" there will be more than 30 tractors, while the regiment will include more than 600 KamAZ-65225. In addition to transportation of equipment, parts and divisions of MTCT will be used to transport fuel and other goods in special metal containers. http://iz.ru/608113/aleksei-ramm-dmitrii-litovkin/tankisty-peresiadut-na-tiazhelye-velosipedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 On 6/21/2017 at 9:59 PM, JUAN DEAG said: The SDF/YPG are armed almost exclusively with US equipment and these weapons can get captured or abandoned. Army surplus shops, obviously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSKER2142 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Already the party of the BMPT in the Russian grouping of troops in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Up-armored T-72B3 with some sort of strap-on supplemental armor: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/t-72b3m-tank/ Same seen on the hybrid BMPT recently sent to Syria: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Are you sure it's armour? I'd assumed it was stowage TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I don't think it's stowage, low on the hull like that is how you lose your kit. It's an interesting layout though, it looks like it's strapped on vs bolted (see the angle of the bottom piece, straps appear to be at least in part to hold the contents of the bag in place). Containers look like they're fairly easy to access with asks interesting questions about the contents (or looking at the weight of say, a complete set of SAPI plates, that's not something I would strap to the outside of a tank, let alone any sort of passive armor on a tank scale). The straps and bags don't seem under a lot of tension too though. I wonder if it's not just a kit version of the various cardboard or wood bundles we've seen as adhoc standoff armor? Coverage is also so-so, although it does do that thing T-72 skirts do not do if it is armor. Too big for ERA though, unless it's a series of cells in one bag, but that configuration doesn't make a lot of sense. Conjecture A: It's some sort of fairly light stand-off material, Counter-argument is that it's not very comprehensive and it's not a lot of standoff. Conjecture B: It's some sort of passive armor array that has been bolted to the skirt, but has bags over the top to conceal it's actual nature. The counter-argument to that would be it's a lot of work to cover up something that isn't earth shattering, especially if it's not something that couldn't just be tarped/netted over. Conjecture C: It's like that triple stacked ERA we saw back in the 80's, less so actual armor, more so something to make military intelligence gears spin for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Clearly the next step is to steal one and go over it carefully. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts