A Canadian Cat Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I am HIGHLY amused that everyone wants rules governing the use of APS, as well as when and where artillery can be used. Well it is nice that you are amused. Honestly, I have no idea why, the only person I play with that has a thing about no APS is Sublime so I think your concept of everyone is a bit off. Since everyone is afraid to face Bradleys with APS, my point stands. I'm not sure where your point stands. I have no particular fear of Bradley APS or not. M1s on the other hand freak me out. Seems like that is how it would be. I too am looking forward to hearing about how Sublime does wrecking Bradleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) fine put aps on your bradleys if your so confident. even though the US doesnt currently field APS and Id have no problem using just T90As. i wasnt aware the aps *made* the bradleys however.. the currently nonexistent on US bradleys. we.ll do aps and ill still kill em. Edited September 8, 2015 by Sublime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Sublime and I have engaged. It must have been sunspots, this game is working. His recon grenade launcher outposts have shot up my point tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Jammersix, This should prove most interesting. If you're running into outposts, that tells me he's defending. If your lead tank, presumably one of a handful, is shot up, I'd imagine there are quite a few blown ERA tiles in consequence. Places now exposed to ATGM and RPG fire. Wonder what your subsystem damage display looks like? Depending on range, the AGS-17/30 (don't know which) grenades have a looping trajectory, so even on level ground, they may be hitting your turret roof, putting a lot of important components in jeopardy, starting with the CITV which provides a great deal of the Abrams tactical edge. If he can shoot up an Abrams, what do you suppose is likely to happen to your far less tough Bradleys? Sublime, How big is this QB, please, and could you describe or better yet list the map for us? Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 The AGL is dead. Because Bradley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 {Jammer hears a jet race overhead and looks up. Then he turns to his XO.} I didn't know we had air support today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Jammersix, Brilliant! I was eating yogurt when I read that, and...it was a near run thing. If Sublime holds true to form, you are about to be mercilessly set upon by rooks, as in Grach. Best to just embrace the experience. Please keep us all posted and take comfort in the knowledge your Bradleys, as modeled, have zero ADA capability! Regards, John Kettler Edited September 9, 2015 by John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 I'm probing Voloske at dawn, with a strict rarity factor. A probe because Sublime has more respect for (and fear of) Bradleys than he's admitted, and doesn't want me to have anything like the force I need to attack or, god forbid, assault Voloske. He wants "parity". In battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Tank! Tango niner-zero. Two hundred meters. Load sabot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 A BRADLEY takes out a T-90! BOW YOUR HEADS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I would but I can't stop laughing. Screen shot please, video preferred but we'll take what we can get. Edited September 9, 2015 by sburke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Ok and the kill count is 1 T90 killed for 2 Abrams, 1 US aircraft (un ID'd) and roughly 20-30 dead GIs. for a T90 and about a platoon and half of Russian troops and some grenade launchers. and he has NOT hit my main defensive line, just screening forces =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Hes probing yes. I told him he could have APS. Hes probing not because of Bradley but because of the way point values are in game. Probe gives you the closest to parity with an advantage to attacker without say 2:1 attacker defender advantage. Id say that since US gets more points in probes and has highly better equipment its more than fair. And I'd also say that 1 T90 (because Bradley) for 2 abrams, 1 US a/c, and at least a platoon and two javelin teams for a couple AGS teams and a platoon and half of way cheaper Russian infantry is a trade Ill take anyday. especially since he hasnt hit most of my AT equipment and ambush spots I said near parity btw - probe attackers still get like 1.5 to 1 attacking odds, and considering the Abrams is a more or less super tank and the javelin cannot be defeated by APS whilst all Russian ATGMs can, Id say all the odds are in the US favor. I look forward to the new humbler Bradley posts and Jammers impending AAR upon defeat. And the Bradley killed the T90 with a ToW2 if the top turret penetrations any indication (oh and I didnt take APS anyways. I think it cheapens things) Oh and one other thing. One T90A already knocked out two Abrams, its a few minutes in. Edited September 9, 2015 by Sublime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarly Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I would but I can't stop laughing. Screen shot please, video preferred but we'll take what we can get. +1 Twitter-esque updates are great, but us older generation like screenshots! Preferably captured with emphasis of KABOOM!! & ROAR!! moments; no preferences for destructed war machinery of either NATO or Russian origin... Edited September 9, 2015 by gnarly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) illl leave that to him hes pacific time and i worked twelve hrs today. im sending a last turn back and doing it all again tmrw. (unless i lose somehow then the onus of an aar is on me.... ) Edited September 9, 2015 by Sublime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 What do you mean they're not our aircraft? And why isn't this Raven working? I lost another Abrams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 welcome to my wonderful world of pbem. told ya bradley was a meh general and against humans a mwh vehicle.. beats the hell outta bmps but i wasnt arguing that. the original assertion was all u needed was brads u brought along abrams too but thats fine. btw did u just lose a bradley? my t90 shot at it and i saq an explosion on it just as it popped smoke and reversed. was that an iron tree or dead bradley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Somebody count the damned Abrams. I need to know the real number. Edited September 9, 2015 by Jammersix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdolmartin Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I think that by design, the Bradley is supposed to be able to take out enemy MBTs. The fact that the BMP family have a hard time doing so is their fault. It's not Omar's fault, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Jammersix, To chortle over obliterating one of Sublime's GLs (and later a T-90 via a Bradley) while neglecting to mention losing two Abrams to one T-90 is, to me, selective reporting of the highest order. Guess that's what the Pentagon calls "shaping the narrative." If you killed a T-90 with a TOW 2B from the Bradley, that wouldn't surprise me in the least, having done it myself to a T-90AM in a QB--an instant before my command track blew up, killing all aboard. Sublime, Sounds like you're doing what you said you would, showing the world the Russian Bear has slashing claws and rending teeth. I always knew it did, but you seem to really be in your element in using the Red Army in battle. What you're doing to his Abrams force is simply amazing. What's the word on your flyboys? Iron tree? Good one! Regards, John Kettler Edited September 9, 2015 by John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (oh and I didnt take APS anyways. I think it cheapens things) On the contrary, it makes things far more expensive I allow Russians to have Arena in my house rules but I don't use them myself. Because of Javelin. It is much more useful against Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 My house rules: if the game will let you do it, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Then for your sake I hope Sublime isn't playing by your rules. The Russians have a drone that in the game the US cannot detect. I am also assuming he did not plaster your setup zone with artillery on the first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I need to give orders to dead people. Can an engineer or a breech team (same thing,) do that? Some of these orders are urgent. Oh, and I need an Abrams mechanic. {Jammer gazes at the raging fire in the turret, and listens to the rounds cooking off.} A really good Abrams mechanic. Edited September 9, 2015 by Jammersix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammersix Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) No, it's 3-3 that's been knocked out, not 3-4. I'm certain. I'm standing next to it, and it's definitely 3-3, not 3-4. {Jammer listens to the radio} What do you mean, both? Edited September 9, 2015 by Jammersix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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