New offensive in Donbass?

[Sublime]

Not to mention alone of all countries on Earth, Russia is actively drilling to use manned bombers to deliver nuclear weapons on targets that would kill literally tens of thousands at best, and furthermore in recent wargames included launching nuclear strikes on Warsaw as an acceptable outcome for ensuring Russian interests were kept.

There's no justifying that, compliance with aviation agreements (Which there is not) be damned.

+1 to panzer and Ian. Flying nuclear bombers off the US west coast last spring, and the other moves such as buzzing NATO ships are old cold war games of 'chicken' that had ended until recently and it wasnt the West that began them, nor has the West responded in kind. if you disagree that the West has link please.

panzer in your opinion would nuking Warsaw start a general strategic nuclear war? Warsaw is a NATO member. Wargame or not the Russians thinking they could just nuke Warsaw and that.d be that must be insane? I see no way nuking a NATO capital city wouldnt see retaliation by other NATO nations with nukes at least tactically (which would escalate) or stratrgically? I know article 4 iirc of the NATO agreement states all the members fight a country who attacks a member, is there specific clause for what level or intensity of warfare?

Edited June 3, 2015 by Sublime

[panzersaurkrautwerfer]

It'd depend on the resolve of the rest of the nuclear powers...but there's no distinction between "tactical" and "strategic" nuclear weapons in terms of deterrance.  Official US policy is a weapon of mass destruction is a weapon of mass destruction and will be retaliated against in kind.  So perhaps it wouldn't be full on Dr Strangelove, but matching the Russians nuke for nuke seems likely.  

[Holien]

FYI BBC reporting heavy fighting in Ukraine.

@whitehot78 I get your point around we need to be wary of what the media is feeding us, but I also agree that Russia seems to be escalating tension and the underlying media reports are fairly explaining that to the general public.

[AttorneyAtWar]

The summer offensive has begun officially than I suppose, nobody saw this coming.

 

Edited June 3, 2015 by Raptorx7

[panzersaurkrautwerfer]

I am shocked, positively shocked at this.  Novorussian troops of Donbass have been so good about avoiding shameless Ukrainian provocation conducted by Ukrainian-Polish-US Navy SEAL NAZI militia forces.  It's a shame so much of the Russian military is on vacation or else perhaps they'd be there to help the attacking defense of Donbass!

[Sublime]

when will someone stand up for the downtrodden of the world and stop the HATO imperialist aggressors?!

[AttorneyAtWar]

when will someone stand up for the downtrodden of the world and stop the HATO imperialist aggressors?!

 

America of course...

 

Oh wait, we are the HATO imperialist national fascist aggressors.

 

Damn!

[Kraft]

Looks like the Seps are trying to take Marinka

[panzersaurkrautwerfer]

Sort of puts that whole Putin classifying the deaths of Russian servicemen on "special operations" thing into perspective.  

 

I hope the separatists choke on Marinka.  It's not like negotiated peace short of some dismembered version of the Ukraine ruled by Russian owned folks is going to lead to something lasting.  Which is totally within Russian belief to find reasonable because Nazis world war two great patriotic war HATO-Nazi EU MOTHERLAND etc etc.  

[Nidan1]

Wow, what a lot of FUD and miss information or at least FUD and miss communication.

I live in Canada. During the cold war the Soviet air force used to test the US and Canadian air defence partnership with frequent flights were close to our air space. Similar flights were conducted near other counties air space. Once the cold war ended so did those provocative flights.

Putin started them again.

That is what we are talking about. All this justification over radar and transponders and misinformed reporters and baffle gab is just a distribution.

Putin's government has brought back an old provocation from a conflict that we thought was passed. He chose to do that. The only conclusion is that Putin's government is seeking additional conflict or at least trying to bully other counties.

That is obvious and clear. Just because some reporter screwed up the details and some people here used incorrect terminology or you misunderstood understood what they were talking about does not change that.

Quite frankly this is a common strategy when someone has no legitimate point on which to stand. Distract the other side with issues of details either real or made up in an attempt to avoid the basic issues.

Putin's government has been conducting deliberate provocative flights for the purpose of intimidation. Are you actually attempting to deny that? Do you feel it is some how justifiable? Let us stop being distracted by pointlessness.

 

Edited to remove odd phone auto correction involving piglets of all things ???

IanL you are probably right to signal a halt to the arcane techno-discussion about ATCs, transponders and assorted radars. However you are also correct to point out that Putin is using his air force to bring back the old games played during the cold war.

 

You would also have to admit that those TU-96 flybys close to the DEW Line in northern Nunavut were probably the most exciting things going on in Canada during the 70's and 80's  , or maybe it was when the Red Army team skated into Montreal or Toronto 

[Haiduk]

More than 10 hours battle for Maryinka finished. Shortly about situation around:



1. Clashes in Maryinka area escalated in last two month. Terrain on this direction didn't allow to build solid line of defense. So, enemy made probes because thought that our lines is more weak in this area.

2. 31st of May enemy deversion group penetrated behind our checkpoints in this area and ambushed "Ural" truck with six soldiers of 28th brigade. Two were killed, two wounded, two missed with truck - possibly were captured.

3. Yesterday representative of Russia left negotiations in Minsk and hampered work of contact group. By words of our diplomats representatives of Russia and separatists demanded full revision of Minsk agreements, but Ukrainian side sharply refused all these demands. So, obviously, this demarche became signal that next step of Kremlin will lay in military plain.

4. Russian backed fighters in force of about two battalion tactical group with heavy MLRS and SP-guns support attacked our positions on line Krasnohorivka-Maryinka. Possibly enemy objectives were to seize both settlements, establish good conditions for next attack on Kurakhovo with their energy plant and take part of highway Zaporizhia-Donetsk. Also with success of operation to force Ukraine for revision of Minsk agreements and inflict panic and dissatisfaction inside of Ukraine society ("stupid generals", "Poroshenko give up Donbas", "All on Maidan 3.0 !")

5. Artillery and MLRS strike and continuously mortar fire caused many wounded among UKR forces, also Krasnohorivka was badly damaged - a part of clinic, garages, and several dozen houses were hit and burned. Enemy fighters conducted intensive shelling checkpoints in Maryinka with tanks, BMP and small arms, but main pressure they provided in Krasnohorivka area, seeking to outflank Maryinka garrison. Them succeed on several directions to pierce among our positions, but their massive advance was stopped here. Commander of 28th brigade call own SP-gun support - possibly they destroyed enemy base on territory of horse club "Equestrian"

6. Meantime, from Maryinka side intensive enemy fire forced Ukrainians stepped back from several forward checkpoints, enemy troops entered in Maryinka and Russian/DNR media hurry up claim about next "great victory".

7. Ukraine General staff assume a decision to use heavy artillery, which was drown off due to Minsk agreements. Approx in 14:00 artillery and MLRS arrived and deployed, but no order on opening fire. ATO press-service claimed they don't sure that this attack is a real offensive.

8. Clashes intensified, pressure on our troops became more strong. In 15:00 General Staff commenced fire. Artillery hit various targets between Maryinka and Donetsk. Also several strikes on industrial zones of the city.

9 Enemy troops catch heavy fire and stop advance. In pro-Russian publics of social network spread info how one their T-72BA was hit by Ukrainains and two other, which followed it just surrendered. Battle turned in position withstand with artillery and MLRS exchanges. Russian artillery hit own troops.

10. After short lull and regroup enemy tried attack again, but their attempt choked quickly.

11. OSCE and Cease fire contact group started negotiation about cease fire. (First day of) Battle is over.


Order of battle:

Ukraine: main forces - battalion tactical group of 28th mech. brigade, units of 57th motorized infantry brigade (34th and 43nd sep. motorized inf. battalions), units of 30th mech. brigade (possibly battalion), units of special police battalion "Kyiv-1", some National Guard unit.

DNR/Russia: "international brigade Piatnashka", units of brigade "Vostok", diversion-assault group "Riazan' "


Losses:

Ukraine on 19:45 - 3 KIA, 32 WIA (also unconfirmed info about 5 KIA), 1 GAZ-66, two UAZ-452

Separatists/Russia: ATO press-service claimed minimum 36 KIA, 2 tanks, BMP, several trucks, several batteries suppressed, insiders in Donetsk said only one hospital admit about 100 wounded. 

Edited June 3, 2015 by Haiduk

[A Canadian Cat]

 or maybe it was when the Red Army team skated into Montreal or Toronto 

 

LOL yeah it was the hockey.

[exsonic01]

More than 10 hours battle for Maryinka finished. Shortly about situation around:

1. Clashes in Maryinka area escalated in last two month. Terrain on this direction didn't allow to build solid line of defense. So, enemy made probes because thought that our lines is more weak in this area.

2. 31st of May enemy deversion group penetrated behind our checkpoints in this area and ambushed "Ural" truck with six soldiers of 28th brigade. Two were killed, two wounded, two missed with truck - possibly were captured.

3. Yesterday representative of Russia left negotiations in Minsk and hampered work of contact group. By words of our diplomats representatives of Russia and separatists demanded full revision of Minsk agreements, but Ukrainian side sharply refused all these demands. So, obviously, this demarche became signal that next step of Kremlin will lay in military plain.

4. Russian backed fighters in force of about two battalion tactical group with heavy MLRS and SP-guns support attacked our positions on line Krasnohorivka-Maryinka. Possibly enemy objectives were to seize both settlements, establish good conditions for next attack on Kurakhovo with their energy plant and take part of highway Zaporizhia-Donetsk. Also with success of operation to force Ukraine for revision of Minsk agreements and inflict panic and dissatisfaction inside of Ukraine society ("stupid generals", "Poroshenko give up Donbas", "All on Maidan 3.0 !")

5. Artillery and MLRS strike and continuously mortar fire caused many wounded among UKR forces, also Krasnohorivka was badly damaged - a part of clinic, garages, and several dozen houses were hit and burned. Enemy fighters conducted intensive shelling checkpoints in Maryinka with tanks, BMP and small arms, but main pressure they provided in Krasnohorivka area, seeking to outflank Maryinka garrison. Them succeed on several directions to pierce among our positions, but their massive advance was stopped here. Commander of 28th brigade call own SP-gun support - possibly they destroyed enemy base on territory of horse club "Equestrian"

6. Meantime, from Maryinka side intensive enemy fire forced Ukrainians stepped back from several forward checkpoints, enemy troops entered in Maryinka and Russian/DNR media hurry up claim about next "great victory".

7. Ukraine General staff assume a decision to use heavy artillery, which was drown off due to Minsk agreements. Approx in 14:00 artillery and MLRS arrived and deployed, but no order on opening fire. ATO press-service claimed they don't sure that this attack is a real offensive.

8. Clashes intensified, pressure on our troops became more strong. In 15:00 General Staff commenced fire. Artillery hit various targets between Maryinka and Donetsk. Also several strikes on industrial zones of the city.

9 Enemy troops catch heavy fire and stop advance. In pro-Russian publics of social network spread info how one their T-72BA was hit by Ukrainains and two other, which followed it just surrendered. Battle turned in position withstand with artillery and MLRS exchanges. Russian artillery hit own troops.

10. After short lull and regroup enemy tried attack again, but their attempt choked quickly.

11. OSCE and Cease fire contact group started negotiation about cease fire. (First day of) Battle is over.

Order of battle:

Ukraine: main forces - battalion tactical group of 28th mech. brigade, units of 57th motorized infantry brigade (34th and 43nd sep. motorized inf. battalions), units of 30th mech. brigade (possibly battalion), units of special police battalion "Kyiv-1", some National Guard unit.

DNR/Russia: "international brigade Piatnashka", units of brigade "Vostok", diversion-assault group "Riazan' "

Losses:

Ukraine on 19:45 - 3 KIA, 32 WIA (also unconfirmed info about 5 KIA), 1 GAZ-66, two UAZ-452

Separatists/Russia: ATO press-service claimed minimum 36 KIA, 2 tanks, BMP, several trucks, several batteries suppressed, insiders in Donetsk said only one hospital admit about 100 wounded. 

Thanks for the report. Can I have a source? 

[DreDay]

DNR/Russia: "international brigade Piatnashka", units of brigade "Vostok", diversion-assault group "Riazan' "

 

Thank you for giving us the synopsis of latest reports Haiduk. Obviously you are quoting the Ukrainian sources (for the most part); which is fine - as both sides seem to agree that the control of Maryanka is contested, but no breakthrough has been accomplished there by DNR. The actual casualty numbers are very preliminary at this point. DNR is claiming the exact opposite ratio of losses, compared to ATO reports... but we would not know the actual casualty numbers for (at least) a few days.

 

What I am curious about - is the subordination of "Ryazan" Recon Co. They had fought for DNR (and later LNR) since the early summer of 2014. I have also read that their commander (callsign "Ryazan", real name - Edward/Eduard, AFAIK) had been asked to leave the DNR/LNR territory and not to come back (per multiple sources, including Strelkov). However, now it appears that he is back... Do you happen to know whom his unit is subordinated to at this point?

[Haiduk]

Thanks for the report. Can I have a source?

 

This is my summary, systematized by different sources (official press-release, twitters of servicemen on positions, twitters and FB of journalists and civil volunteers). So, this is my point of view. Of course, with time will be more details known. For development of battle I can add, that before our artillery strike reinforcement arrived on positions of 28th brigade, possibly it was units of 30th brigade, also first report about casualties was wrote in twitter from words of 1st tank brigade servicemen, so they also were involved. Yes, it sounds weird, but our official information sources almost useless - they gives just general and belated information,  media and TV often spread panic news, so main source of normal information is proved twitter&FB accounts and our military forums. Just need a time to analyze and compose the puzzle.  

 

However, now it appears that he is back... Do you happen to know whom his unit is subordinated to at this point?

 

It's too hard to say about their subordination. Their appearance in Donetsk pointed about they now DNR-controlled. But this sort of detachments (like destroyed by Russian special forces diversion group "Rusich", composed from ultra-right Russian nationalists) often acting as "free agents".

Edited June 4, 2015 by Haiduk

[DreDay]

This is my summary, systematized by different sources (official press-release, twitters of servicemen on positions, twitters and FB of journalists and civil volunteers). So, this is my point of view. Of course, with time will be more details known. For development of battle I can add, that before our artillery strike reinforcement arrived on positions of 28th brigade, possibly it was units of 30th brigade, also first report about casualties was wrote in twitter from words of 1st tank brigade servicemen, so they also were involved. Yes, it sounds weird, but our official information sources almost useless - they gives just general and belated information, media and TV often spread panic news, so main source of normal information is proved twitter&FB accounts and our military forums. Just need a time to analyze and compose the puzzle.

Agreed 100%. All that we can discuss with a high degree of certainty right now is that Maryinka has not fallen so far (as there is no video/photographic evidence that would point to the contrary). All other information bits are highly dynamic and subject to propaganda (and just pure ignorance) by both sides.

As for confusion regarding the 1st Tank Brigade (and other units that one would not expect to be there); I have read several Ukrainian non-official reports stating that most of tank units from 1st and 17th Armored brigades have been re-subordinated to other brigades as reinforcements. Do you happen to know anything regarding this?

 

It's too hard to say about their subordination. Their appearance in Donetsk pointed about they now DNR-controlled. But this sort of detachments (like destroyed by Russian special forces diversion group "Rusich", composed from ultra-right Russian nationalists) often acting as "free agents".

Right. I was just curious, as Ryazan seems to be one of the first Russian ex-VDV/SF officers to take part in fighting there. As for “Rusich” - do you have a source confirming them being destroyed? I must have missed it… Don’t get me wrong, I have very little regard for them, much like some of their ultra-nationalistic counterparts in Azov; but I have not seen any evidence of neither their destruction, nor their affiliation with Russian SOF. Their commander (quite a creepy character) was an assistant platoon commander in a VDV infantry platoon (76th VDV Division)… so he might be well trained, but not on par with SOF guys.

Edited June 4, 2015 by DreDay

[whitehot78]

Wow, what a lot of FUD and miss information or at least FUD and miss communication.

I live in Canada. During the cold war the Soviet air force used to test the US and Canadian air defence partnership with frequent flights were close to our air space. Similar flights were conducted near other counties air space. Once the cold war ended so did those provocative flights.

Putin started them again.

That is what we are talking about. All this justification over radar and transponders and misinformed reporters and baffle gab is just a distribution.

Putin's government has brought back an old provocation from a conflict that we thought was passed. He chose to do that. The only conclusion is that Putin's government is seeking additional conflict or at least trying to bully other counties.

That is obvious and clear. Just because some reporter screwed up the details and some people here used incorrect terminology or you misunderstood understood what they were talking about does not change that.

Quite frankly this is a common strategy when someone has no legitimate point on which to stand. Distract the other side with issues of details either real or made up in an attempt to avoid the basic issues.

Putin's government has been conducting deliberate provocative flights for the purpose of intimidation. Are you actually attempting to deny that? Do you feel it is some how justifiable? Let us stop being distracted by pointlessness.

 

Edited to remove odd phone auto correction involving piglets of all things ???

 

You are correct. Russia has reinstated patrols by the long range aviation in 2007.

General press is reporting intercepts just since the Ukraine crisis, while specialized press has always reported them since 2007 - at least in cases where the military shared the informations.

This also answers the question of a previous poster, who asked if this kind of situations started to happened only during the UKR crisis or were already in effect, and in this last case, if media were reporting the intercepts by the NATO (or non-aligned) fighters.

 

Also, there has been intercepts of american sigint/elint planes, in these years, by both russian and chinese air forces: one of them ending with a chinese fighter slamming into an american recon plane (hainan island incident).

 

Norwegian P-3 patrol airplanes have often been intercepted flying inside, or just outside russian airspace - one case in 2012.

 

Also P-3s from other nations have been intercepted by Flankers, the one coming to my mind right now being a portuguese one over the baltic.

 

You are stating this is a strategy to disinform people, in fact I have no desire to condone Putin's actions. What baffles and seems unfair to me is that the public gets fed alarmistic news by a general press which is normally, in the best case, ignorant.

I'm pretty sure that many folks on this forums, which are informed and versed on a particular subject, have had to read some article or hear some report from the general press on that subject that was full of inaccuracies, or even lies.

 

For what concerns the matter of the interceptions over the baltic and elsewhere, seems to me that we have cleared that the ATC controllers were perfectly able to pinpoint the location of the russian af planes on their screens, and therefore, to steer them away from them, or to alert their crews of their presence; while it seemed to me that there was a general tendency to believe that the russians were aggressively, and somehow "stealthily" maneuver to endanger the safety of civilian airliners.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Surprisingly sane paragraph in BBC article.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33003237

 

 

High stakes in the east - by Tom Burridge, BBC News, Donetsk

If there is a spike in fighting, like the battle in the town of Maryinka on Wednesday, then both sides know they cannot be seen as the aggressor, because they lose credibility and damage the negotiating position of their allies in either Moscow, or in European capitals.

Neither side wants to be seen as responsible for breaking the highly publicised, but so far unsuccessful, Minsk peace agreement.

And bargaining power for either side will become ever more crucial because in three weeks the European Union will decide whether to renew sanctions against Russia.

 

ps: don't aggro, I'm just passing by while having a cup of coffee, won't "fire back" anyway

[panzersaurkrautwerfer]

 

Also, there has been intercepts of american sigint/elint planes, in these years, by both russian and chinese air forces: one of them ending with a chinese fighter slamming into an american recon plane (hainan island incident).

 

Norwegian P-3 patrol airplanes have often been intercepted flying inside, or just outside russian airspace - one case in 2012.

 

Would you care to idenfify the nuclear payloads carried by recon planes, or the P-3?  The P-3 is especially hilarious considering they're largely flying in that area so they can be aware of Russian submarine activity as they pass into Norwegian waters.

 

This is a stark contrast to nuclear bombers some hundreds, if not thousands of miles away from Russian airspace flying through some of the busiest commercial airspace with transponders off.  You can take issue with US/NATO recon assets bopping a little closer to Russia than you'd like, but that's different from Russian threats, and indeed plans to employ nuclear weapons against the west, and then waving said weapons systems around.

 

 

 

For what concerns the matter of the interceptions over the baltic and elsewhere, seems to me that we have cleared that the ATC controllers were perfectly able to pinpoint the location of the russian af planes on their screens, and therefore, to steer them away from them, or to alert their crews of their presence; while it seemed to me that there was a general tendency to believe that the russians were aggressively, and somehow "stealthily" maneuver to endanger the safety of civilian airliners.

 

It's perfectly reasonable that you could see my car as it darted across six lanes of traffic so it is in no way reckless. So please stop complaining about my driving.  

[Wicky]

Russian reconnaissance plane (Antonov An-30 photographed) over Lancashire UK

 

 

The Russian plane which is fitted with high resolution cameras, was itself photographed by Steve Bradley, 41, over his garden in Colne, Lancashire.

He said: "It was a bit scary to be honest. I just saw it flying pretty low and wondered: 'Should that really be here?'.

[sburke]

In Bloomberg article today they confirmed couple items

OSCE is largely backing Kiev statements based on a couple items

1 OSCE documenting that it seems mostly outgoing artillery from Donetsk

2 rapid buildup of Russian forces opposite border crossings to triple their previous force size within the past two weeks

3 appearance of Russian forces in marked uniforms noted reflecting a seeming lack of concern by Russia that it's forces were recognizable. this is again rooted by OSCE

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-04/ukraine-s-war-is-back?cmpid=yhoo

[whitehot78]

Would you care to idenfify the nuclear payloads carried by recon planes, or the P-3?  The P-3 is especially hilarious considering they're largely flying in that area so they can be aware of Russian submarine activity as they pass into Norwegian waters.

 

P-3 Orions may be employed in several different missions - both ASW and maritime surveillance. ESM equipment carried by them effectively makes them SIGINT capable.

Also there have been cases of USAF RC-135U being intercepted:

 

http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/13/su-27-aggressively-intercept-rc135/

 

As you can read in the article, the american spyplane was flying with its transponder off.

 

As for nuclear payloads, the Tupolev-95 is nuclear capable, but also in some version it carries the same kind of equipment the P-3 Orion carries, and in those versions is employed pretty much the same way as the Orion, ASW and maritime surveillance. Ofc the press reports are kinda sketchy about which kind of "Bears" were intercepted, although one may surmise that in the various cases, different kind of planes may have been interested (I didn't read anything about which unit they were from, but again, I wouldn't entrust the general press to single out the difference between, say, a Bear-H and a Bear-F).

 

Moreover, I would find it very unlikely that the airplanes spotted in the baltic sea were actually carrying any nuclear payload, but being this imho, I understand it's difficult to accept.

 

 

This is a stark contrast to nuclear bombers some hundreds, if not thousands of miles away from Russian airspace flying through some of the busiest commercial airspace with transponders off.  You can take issue with US/NATO recon assets bopping a little closer to Russia than you'd like, but that's different from Russian threats, and indeed plans to employ nuclear weapons against the west, and then waving said weapons systems around.

 

The baltic sea isn't thousands of mile away from russian airspace - in fact Kaliningrad is a port city on that sea, without citing St. Petersburg.

 

 

 

It's perfectly reasonable that you could see my car as it darted across six lanes of traffic so it is in no way reckless. So please stop complaining about my driving.  

Yeah, metaphors always are tempting, yet this one is pretty much apples and pears.

[sburke]

You seem to have conveniently disregarded the inconsistencies the article you yourself cited regarding the statements by Russian MOD. Read it again and tell me you think that the statements by the MOD are reliable.

In the bottom section is also a note showing the exchange from the tracking website with RT news Twitter feed, the source showing the US aircraft had it's transponder on. Do you think we just ignore when you post articles and assume we just won't figure out you can't back your own statements. Kind of embarrassing.

@RT_com The US aircraft had transponder ON.

Transponder code: AE01D5

Registration: 64-14849

Callsign: TELEX97

Edited June 4, 2015 by sburke

[Kraft]

 

someone here who can understand it and thinks it's noteworthy enough for a small summary of what's being said?

Edited June 4, 2015 by Kraft

[panzersaurkrautwerfer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/world/two-days-of-russian-aircraft-intercepts/1422/

 

Please explain to me how Portugal, England etc are just right around the corner from Russia?

 

 

 

As you can read in the article, the american spyplane was flying with its transponder off. 

 

Apparently it was on, according to the very thing you posted.

Literacy?

 

 

 

As for nuclear payloads, the Tupolev-95 is nuclear capable, but also in some version it carries the same kind of equipment the P-3 Orion carries, and in those versions is employed pretty much the same way as the Orion, ASW and maritime surveillance. Ofc the press reports are kinda sketchy about which kind of "Bears" were intercepted, although one may surmise that in the various cases, different kind of planes may have been interested (I didn't read anything about which unit they were from, but again, I wouldn't entrust the general press to single out the difference between, say, a Bear-H and a Bear-F).

 

I'm curious to what the Russian interest in maritime patrols carried out over Western Europe were.  The B-1 can also do a variety of other missions, I imagine if they were zipping up and down off Russia we'd be getting marginally more nuclear threats to Denmark than usual.

 

 

 

Moreover, I would find it very unlikely that the airplanes spotted in the baltic sea were actually carrying any nuclear payload, but being this imho, I understand it's difficult to accept.

 

Again, picture if it was B-52s buzzing along, and the US DoD had just mentioned pointing more nuclear weapons at Russia because the US has secretly not invaded but actually invaded parts of Mexico to make the new US state of Baja.  It's a needlessly stupid penis waving moment that's on par with Russian foreign policy choices on a whole at this moment.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, metaphors always are tempting, yet this one is pretty much apples and pears.

 

Said the person comparing P-3s to nuclear bombers, and who thinks Russia has a right to fly nuclear capable bombers through crowded airspace unannounced.

 

Who also doesn't apparently read his own articles posted.

 

Who thinks the UK is next door to Russia.

 

Does your village know where you are?